[thumbuddy]

You probably shouldn't deal with lifetimes outside of first order use cases in 9/10 cases when a project is in its early stages. A clone or wrapper type isn't all that expensive in many applications. Just because something can be optimized doesn't mean it should be, especially early on in a project.

[ssokolow]

*nod* Rust's "make costs explicit" design does have a bit of a problem with encouraging premature optimization where something like Python would encourage sloppiness.

[thumbuddy]

I'll take obvious jank over hidden jank any day personally.

[ssokolow]

I agree... you need discipline either way. It's just easier to wind up not realizing that you don't need to spend so much time on up-front optimization with Rust to produce a perfectly serviceable program. (Especially if you haven't internalized the whole "fearless refactoring" angle.)

[thumbuddy]

We'd probably be good on a team together. Nice to see like like-minded people in here.