[Espionage724]

You're spreading misinformation and I'm unsure why.

- Scrollbars auto-hiding can easily be disabled from Modern UI settings -> Accessibility

- You aren't using the web search in the start menu correctly; it's like trying to use a Google Mini speaker to write an essay; yeah it'll work but good luck. You know how to use a browser; do that instead of complaining about something that you aren't using as-intended.

- Afaik taskbar can be ungrouped now; it's time to catch-up to 2023 :p

- Great artist copy; macOS is good. Get over it. I doubt they copied any kind of style from it, but citing this as a downside is silly.

- Microsoft Edge is worlds more efficient than Chrome or Firefox and I can personally vouch for this on the latest 11 stable and insider builds. If it's the update process with Edge that's taking up CPU... what is the issue? Updating files takes CPU, RAM, and HDD resources. Windows Update takes resources. Updating Firefox takes resources. Updating iOS or Android, as you may have guessed it by now, takes resources :p Edge updates for security reasons usually.

Debian flat-out sucks in 2023 and that seals that you're only for some kind of bad-intent or are incredibly naive. You may as well recommend Gentoo or Arch Linux for people coming from Windows 11 as those are just as-bad recommendations. People use Windows because it works. Windows 11 works. What Linux distros work? Ubuntu, and to a lesser-extent Mint. Anything else can be discovered over-time.

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> Scrollbars auto-hiding can easily be disabled from Modern UI settings -> Accessibility

OK, and how do you change them so they are more than a few pixels wide? the width is literally 1/3 of Windows 10

> You aren't using the web search in the start menu correctly; it's like trying to use a Google Mini speaker to write an essay; yeah it'll work but good luck. You know how to use a browser; do that instead of complaining about something that you aren't using as-intended.

no. the point is not that the start web search is bad, its that IT EXISTS. I dont want to web search in the start menu EVER.

> Afaik taskbar can be ungrouped now; it's time to catch-up to 2023 :p

you are incorrect.

> Microsoft Edge is worlds more efficient than Chrome or Firefox and I can personally vouch for this on the latest 11 stable and insider builds.

even if thats true, I dont care. I DON'T want edge, and I DEFINITELY dont want forced updates, and I DEFINITELY dont want the uninstall option for it to be grayed out in the settings app, as is the current situation.

> Debian flat-out sucks in 2023 and that seals that you're only for some kind of bad-intent or are incredibly naive.

I pay for a Debian Digital Ocean droplet every month, because it works and gets the job done. please take your terrible takes elsewhere.

[Espionage724]

> OK, and how do you change them so they are more than a few pixels wide? the width is literally 1/3 of Windows 10

Not sure

> you are incorrect.

https://www.howtogeek.com/894996/windows-11-will-finally-let...

> even if thats true, I dont care. I DON'T want edge, and I DEFINITELY dont want forced updates, and I DEFINITELY dont want the uninstall option for it to be grayed out in the settings app, as is the current situation.

C:\"Program Files (x86)"\Microsoft\Edge\Application*\Installer\setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall

You're welcome :p I found that command months ago instead of just complaining about Edge existing.

[throwA29B]

>macOS is good

You can't be possibly more wrong here, mate. macOS is an absolute garbage. Always was.

And Windows 11 tries to mimic that but fortunately fails at that too.

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[Espionage724]

Yeah ok; everyone using it in business and multimedia must just like making their life harder; I forgot Linux was the greatest even though it's not notable outside of servers :p

[throwA29B]

>everyone using it in business and multimedia must just like making their life harder

Nah, they just either don't know any better or just don't care. I think it is a mix of both.

>I forgot Linux was the greatest

You can't forgot what you didn't know, mate :) Linux is for servers, it has no place on desktop. All those "The [Current Year] is a year of Linux on the desktop!" articles can attest that.

[Brian_K_White]

The problem with the web search in the task bar or start menu is that it's there at all, giving web results when you searched for a document or app you don't remember the name of, or the @&%$ place they moved some setting to since it's not in Settings and you can't find any normal menu path to it.

Saying "Debian sucks" in a ui context without saying which desktop, and holding up Ubuntu as good, seals that your comment has less value or substance than the one you're critiquing.

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> Debian flat-out sucks in 2023

What? How?

[Espionage724]

That may have been a hot take on my part, but what makes Debian worthwhile over Ubuntu aside from ideology?

The average person switching from Windows to Linux wants something that works. My general impression is:

- Anything other than Ubuntu and Mint requires involvement with 3rd-party repos for comparable multimedia playback

- Ubuntu has the largest userbase, and thus the largest access to easy tech support; a beginner isn't going to bust out Terminal and go straight to Arch wiki

- Because Ubuntu has the largest userbase, software is more tested on it; check the requirements for most games on Steam and most of them mention Ubuntu, or SteamOS; nothing else

- I remember years ago Debian having some confusion with different images and firmware. I don't exactly remember the problem (maybe missing firmware for netinstall?), but this wasn't an issue with Ubuntu that includes most of the stuff on-disc.

Debian feels like one of those barely-heard of distros. When I think mainstream distros for desktop, it's Ubuntu, Fedora, and openSUSE. For server, it's Ubuntu, RHEL, or SUSE. Arch Linux, Gentoo, Rhino, Cachy (or whatever it's called), Clear Linux, and Debian are distros to use if you have a known reason that they benefit your use case, after trying it from mainstream distros.

I wouldn't recommend Windows users to switch to any of those because of the lower user-base, and that because those distros are more technical there's also that air of harsh discussions and entitlement (Arch forums is terrible with this; RTFM). I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want my recommendation to be for anti-social entitled pricks who think they know better with their obscure distro :p If people want to go that way on their own, go for it!

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> That may have been a hot take on my part, but what makes Debian worthwhile over Ubuntu aside from ideology?

I think they're very close these days but to me: Stability, I say this using Ubuntu 22.04 but to say Debian 'sucks' is a big stretch given how similar they are now

Windows 10 to Windows 11 is a disaster, nobody wants it, it's forced on most people, at my workplace people are avoiding it, Debian on the other hand has been mostly smooth sailing for like 10 years now

>Anything other than Ubuntu and Mint requires involvement with 3rd-party repos for comparable multimedia playback

Don't most people use Youtube and Spotify etc these days? If someone wants to break out the Mp3's they just install VLC.

> I remember years ago Debian having some confusion with different images and firmware

You'll be happy to know this is fixed, Debian's latest release now includes non-free firmware in the installer:

https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2023/2023...

Starting with this release, official images include firmware packages from main and non-free-firmware, along with metadata to configure the installed system accordingly. Our installation guide has been updated accordingly.

--- Debian 12 or Ubuntu 22.04 you can't really go wrong imo

There's some other stuff I want to say but I must sleep! thanks!

[laserdancepony]

Best argument ever: "Stop complaining, you are using it wrong!". Parent paid by MS for sure.