[andresp]

I got to understand from personal experience that the anti-SOA people are usually the ones who stayed at the same company their entire carers, never saw any model other than the monolithic one, see SOA as a threat to their domain knowledge within the company and simply are not able to see its downsides (because they have adapted their ways of work around it and never experienced anything better).

[tomas789]

I will offer myself as a counterexample. I worked at many companies, as exployee or contractor and held various positions. Dev, tech lead, manager.

I have yet to see a good application of microservices. I’m not saying there are none but the companies that can truéy benefit from that are few and fare apart.

From my experience smaller companies usually benefit a lot from simple monolythical architecture. Large companies tend to split problem into multiple products. But each product is still a kinda monolyth.

I have no experience with huge SaaS companies like Netflix. I can easily see why there the situation is quite different.

My horror story from recent days is that I had a 100-ish LOC patch. I had to push an update to 8 repos. That means 8 merge requests, 8 code reviews, deploy changes in correct order such that it does not break anything. The whole thing took 3 days. Coding was done in two hours.

[camgunz]

Similar experience to my sibling here: I've had a couple microservice shops and they really soured me on them and SOA in general.

- You have so many deploy stacks that it's literally boggling. I had to deploy code that used everything from make to GitHub CI to Jenkins to serverless just to push a single change.

- You have infinite implementations of your business logic. This is for two major reasons. First it's just hard to keep everything sync'd up; even if you've got "libbiz" you're gonna have services on various versions. But second, a core tenet of microservices is to just fork a new service for this and let other services migrate, but now you've evolved from an ecosystem of library differences to an ecosystem of service differences, which is way more complicated and expensive to maintain. It would be infinitely better if all parts of your app used the same versions of your business logic, but it will never ever happen.

- Your stacks are probably really heterogeneous ("right tool for the job"), but what that means is your devs now probably all have to know some mix of Java, Ruby, JavaScript, Python, Go, and maybe something more esoteric like Clojure or Elixir.

- Maintaining a microservice infra is way more complicated. Good luck monitoring multiple app and deploy stacks. Good luck keeping all of them up to date with security fixes. Good luck with Kubernetes and helm (or whatever). Good luck with multiple persistence systems (Postgres, Maria, Mongo, Redis, Cockroach, BigQuery, etc)

- You have to have an event bus. Boo.

- Your logging is hyper complicated now

- Because of the ecosystem around microservices, you're probably doing a lot of weird enterprisy things in your code (DDD, CQRS) that mostly only add layers of indirection or pull in more complicated dependencies, or inspire you to (against all good advice) build your own framework.

I'm not saying a monolith doesn't have problems, but I think the cons of microservices get very little play.

[atmosx]

> I'm not saying a monolith doesn't have problems, but I think the cons of microservices get very little play.

I was about to make the same point. I hear you though. In my case CI/CD, application framework, programming language, etc. was common. We manage to shoot ourselves in the foot multiple times because (a) our CI/CD was _way_ too smart, allowing for _way_ to many things to happen for us (SRE team) in non-standard ways and (b) Helm (Duh!) ... allows you to put deployment logic in there which leads to a mess.

[camgunz]

Yeah it feels like microservices is very hard on SREs.