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by zenkat 1036 days ago
"And yet, here we are in 2023 and self driving cars still don’t work."

LOL. Someone should tell the California CPUC that:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/10/23827790/waymo-cruise-cpu...

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This is yet another reason I want Musk in prison.

Getting drivers off the road will save lives, and not a small number. Most companies investing in automated driving have built a system that is safe and largely effective. These systems have worked safely in the places they've been deployed. We should be heavily investing in expanding their capabilities.

Yet Tesla's system is the most famous and most widely-deployed and basically doesn't work at all. They have made themselves the face of the technology, and that face is uuuuugly. When people think of self-driving cars, they don't think of Cruze or Waymo. They think of a techbro giggling at his Tesla making fart sounds while it barrels into someone's kitchen.

Tesla's marketing is correct in that self-driving cars will have huge economic benefits and save lives. Their grift is harming the reputation of even legitimate companies. The best way I know to speed up self-driving car development is to shut Tesla down.

It seems to me if you wanted to deliver on "economic benefits", save lives, reduce emissions, etc there is an obvious already existing option: subways/LRT. For inter-city travel build high speed rail. I just don't see driverless cars as the panacea that other people do, even if it worked— which it doesn't seem to.
Nothing has ever been a panacea, and people very rarely claim things will be. Cars will be around for a long time. Building public transportation is not trivial and not practical everywhere. People often drive even in parts of the world with good public transportation. Replacing human drivers with (working) computers would be a major improvement.
I have emailed them.

Also, I'd like to note that geohot founded a self-driving car company, so I don't think he's ignorant on the topic.

Under every weather, traffic and road condition?
"Working" is a matter of degree. They do work partially, so "they don't work" is partially false.