[seabird]

If vim and make are spooking somebody, they need to turn tail and run the fuck away from C. I love it to death, but it's a frustrating experience from another era. vim and make are the least of your worries when dealing with it.

[vidarh]

I've used C since the 1980's, and vim most certainly "spooks" me. C and make does not

[flohofwoe]

> but it's a frustrating experience from another era

Are you using C99 features? I find the "new" features extremely enjoyable, it feels like a different language compared to C89 or the common C/C++ subset.

[seabird]

I am, but C99 doesn't fix the various sharp corners and gotchas that are littered throughout language.

I don't say any of this as a dig at C, but at ~50 years old, it definitely shows its age.

[pjmlp]

Started coding in 1986, used my first UNIX (Xenix) in 1993, the only thing I care about vi, is knowing enough to rescue me when there isn't anything else installed to edit files.

[stjohnswarts]

Yep, plenty of really good windows/macos programmers have never touched vi or emacs. I'm not sure why users of those are so elitist. I tend to prefer vim editor keystrokes in my editors but that's just because I got used to it from college and terminal editing.