[JoshTriplett]

> I argue the window is moving as to what “open source” means

Only if we let it, and stop shouting about it and finding alternatives every time a company does this.

This isn't a new thing; companies have been trying to play "almost open source" games for decades, and they'll continue playing those games as long as it either works or doesn't have sufficiently large penalties for trying. (Much as companies will continue violating copyleft licenses as long as they either get away with it or the penalties for trying are simply an expected part of the risk.)

The best possible response to a company doing this is that someone forks the code, starts or expands a competitor, and the original company's revenue drops massively as a deterrent.

[toomuchtodo]

> The best possible response to a company doing this is that someone forks the code, starts or expands a competitor, and the original company's revenue drops massively as a deterrent.

Example of the last time this worked?

[riffraff]

Jenkins/Hudson?

Oracle decided to make Hudson commercial, it was forked and Jenkins is still around but Hudson is dead.

[pjmlp]

Meanwhile Cloudbees has several product to sell you on.

Turns out Jenkins development needs to be sponsored somehow.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

I don't know what the impact was on their revenue, but pretty much anything Oracle has ever touched.

[toomuchtodo]

But still wildly profitable!

https://investor.oracle.com/investor-news/news-details/2023/...

[gkbrk]

ElasticSearch? A lot of people moved to open source forks.

[BoorishBears]

I hate OpenSearch with a passion, an absolutely horrid lagging project that can't get basic autocomplete working (https://github.com/opensearch-project/OpenSearch-Dashboards/...)

but still manages to suck the air out of the room when you want Elasticsearch because AWS already has the company's billing details and no one wants to figure out paying another provider.

[pjmlp]

From where I am standing, no one cares they exist.