[piwi]

My comparison with c++ shows java is not more verbose if you take into account headers.

[rf15]

I think people are very aware that c++ is a lot more verbose than Java. What's the advantage of making this particular comparison?

[riku_iki]

I actually think c++ is not necessary more verbose than java as a language.

But memory management/safety, weaker IDE support and ecosystem make it less productive than Java for business dev.

[kaba0]

Wait until you see this new, hyped language called Go! That is even more verbose than both!