[kolbe]

Keep on carrying water for the NSA. We can live in a total surveilace world just by triggering you with "banks are bad."

People use iMessage/Signal/WhatsApp for myriad reasons: some good, some bad. There's no evidence in this case that any of what was said was in furtherance of a crime. The crime they've been fined for is that people--just people--were talking in totally normal communications channels, and their employer has failed to scrape one end of their E2E communications and save it to show to the SEC whenever it asks.

[groby_b]

If you are working in banking, you know you are supposed to archive comms. If you then knowingly don't archive, you are deliberately sidestepping existing regulations.

That's a much stronger issue than "if you've got nothing to hide, you don't need secrecy" nonsense that I suppose your NSA comment is supposed to refer to. Nobody is making that argument here.

As for "it's just people talking" - what else do you suppose a "archive all communications" regulation refers to?

And sure there's no evidence. Hence my "can you prove intent" statement. But if it's a regulatory violation that other banks have already been fined for, years ago, and you still sidestep the regulation, there's a strong question why you keep sidestepping it.

If you don't like that, you might not want to work in a space with regulatory oversight.

[kolbe]

You support heavy handed and intrusive violation of the privacy of all people who work in the financial sector. You support big brother. Sugar coat it all you want, but you're the one who is cheering on the NSA to de-network encrypted platforms that depend on network effects for our protection

[groby_b]

You might want to acquire reading skills.

I am talking about business communications in a regulated sector.

[kolbe]

If you think that's what you're talking about, then go actually learn what happened. As it is, you're just being the NSA's "useful idiot" by trumpeting their agenda without realizing what you're supporting.