[_jal]

I came in to my current gig as the first devops hire. We were a lot smaller then. 8 years on, I'm managing an infrastructure team alongside ops and devops teams. We also draw lines a little differently; infrastructure manages core services like auth, logging, instrumentation, etc.

In my experience, devops folks usually come from the dev side, not the ops side, and their experience and curiosity reflects that. So we let them focus on shipping line-of-business code while making sure what they ship runs in a competently managed environment, as well as handling data centers and all the more traditional infra stuff.

[dionian]

my experience hasnt always been this, but generally speaking, this is the way to be successful - you need developer-oriented people doing the work. in some ways its harder than coding, coding has more structure than devops automation