[evancox100]

You're making a lot of assumptions about what traumatic situations I may or may not have been in. Maybe it is because I have been through some shit that I realize sometimes we have to do "mean" things to people, sometimes for their own good but often for the good of those around them.

[aogaili]

Killing their dog and giving them a temporary bed is stupid and cruel solution.

And stupid cruel people with power make others suffer and some of them will end up homeless.

The homeless needs a lot of nurturing to get back on their feet.

[evancox100]

I am anti-cruelty and suffering, but it is not always cruel to force someone to do something they don't want to do, and it is not always kind to give them what they want.

If the choice is between them getting back on their feet but having to put the dog up for adoption (which is what I meant, not executing the dog on the spot), vs being stuck indefinitely homeless, I know which one I'm picking.

And again, I don't think "dogs" are the main impediment to homeless rehabilitation, the whole discussion is a sideshow. It was an illustrative example about well meaning intentions gone awry.

[pseudalopex]

The criticisms of your dog policy were illustrative also. The cases for forcing homeless people out of jobs and possessions are even weaker.

I am skeptical the choice you presented was illustrative. Temporary shelter is not enough often.

The supply of dogs exceeds demand. Have the honesty and courage to acknowledge the consequences of your proposals.

[aogaili]

I understand your argument. It is a tough situation to get out from, between a cycle of mental illness, isolation, a tough climb out.

Life can be very cruel. And when everyone and everything failed that man, and nothing left for him but that dog, he is then faced with a choice of between leaving the dog to try to fit again in a world that hurt him. No wonder many are stuck in this situation.

[vidarh]

Trying to justify arguing for doing harm to others with allusions to your own trauma does not make arguing for doing harm to others any better.

[evancox100]

? I was just responding to the immediate reply that I wouldn't feel the same if the government had done something traumatic to me, when actually they have and I do. My past trauma is not justifying anything, but it does inform my thinking.