[screamingninja]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but is this not a straw man argument?

> spending 6 months learning the nomenclature and structure of linux

> become a proper user

Care to elaborate? My parents have been using Ubuntu successfully for over a decade now for "email and youtube". They do not even know what a CLI is. What are you trying to accomplish that does not work out of the box?

[ghastmaster]

>My parents have been using Ubuntu successfully for over a decade now

Add my 87 year old grandmother to that list. Firefox->email, youtube, kroger, banking etc. These days most users just need access to a web browser via their OS.

[Tactician_mark]

Absolutely agree. For most people, their entire OS is just now just a bootloader for their web browser. More and more I feel like downloading any program at all is treated like a "power user" task

[Workaccount2]

Troubleshoot network issues using a GUI.

That's the thing, linux is great for linux power users and absolute hands off users. Its terrible for people in the middle, and hence why it cannot get the ball rolling towards adoption for 30 year now.

There are tons of tech literate people who know what a problem is, know what the fix is, but do not want to deal with climbing through forum posts and documentation to figure out the correctly structured command to do the actions (and how to unfuck if the command wasn't right). Just make fucking buttons, toggle switches and drop down menus.

[adambatkin]

Debugging and troubleshooting a networking problem is approximately the same on Windows vs Linux (except that there are additional powerful tools available built-in to most Linux distributions). Which is to say that anything non-trivial likely needs a command line. Windows does have some graphical network troubleshooter thing, and I've let it do it's thing a few times, and it has never done anything (at least nothing noticable).