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by brabel 1045 days ago
European history is such a rabbit hole, the more you read the more interesting things you find to learn more later.

> The Catholic church was losing power

I've been reading exactly about that... and it's mind blowing that the divide between Catholics and Protestants was what initiated the Eighty Years' War[1] (as mentioned in the video). That War was followed by an even bigger one later, the Thirty Years' War[2] (from 1618 to 1648), the biggest conflict in Europe up until that time (it was huge, parts of today Germany lost 50% of their population). That war started with the infamous Defenestration of Prague [3] in which the representatives of Ferdinand (a Habsburg) the new, fervently catholic King of Bohemia (which was a stronghold of Protestantism), were thrown out of the window of the Prague castle (that's how they used to show their strong discontent diplomatically back then)!

I was recently in Prague and made a point to visit that window :D. Quite amazing to think the places where such events took place are still there and anyone can visit it.

Anyway, after the 30 Years' War, the Habsburgs (which controlled a huge chunk of Europe, from Spain to Flanders, Bohemia to Hungary), lost a lot of power, with France and their ally, Sweden, becoming the dominant powers (can you imagine that the Swedes sieged Prague in 1648!??)... which in turn led to many wars later, including wars between Sweden, the Lithuanian Empire, and the Russian Empire which I find fascinating... all of them had big victories at some point, (e.g. Swedes kicked Russian's asses in 1700 in the Battle of Narva[4] -see also this amazing video by HistoryMarche [5] - but got completely destroyed by the Russians in Poltava [6], current-day Ukraine) but at the end of the wars in 1795 [7], Lithuania and its union buddy Poland basically ceased to exist as an independent entity (after hundreds of years of existence, extending from Kyiv to Villnius, Minsk and as far into Russia as Smolensk!), the Swedes losing almost all of their possessions in mainland Europe (like Estonia) and also Finland to the Russians, and France becoming the main power in Western Europe just in time for Napoleon to rise.

And the story goes on, of course, to this day.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty_Years%27_War

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague#The_...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Narva_(1700)

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JG0W2o8ULs

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Poltava

[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland

1 comments

> which in turn led to many wars later, including wars between Sweden, the Lithuanian Empire, and the Russian Empire which I find fascinating

Yes more recently Nato's creep towards Russia and the Ukraine war.

Recent examples being the coup to seize the Bosphorus Bridge in 2016[1], a stealth attack to control the waterways to Russia's Black Sea Naval ports located in Crimea.

Fast forward to today and you can see why with the Ukraine War.

However wars should never been seen in a totally negative light, because they force rapid regeneration of infrastructure and cultural change. Ukraine was a very very poor country by European standards, still quite peasant like in the rural locations, so some would argue that wars today are more todo with bringing areas of the planet up to date, despite the rhetoric put out by the media.

I understand Monsanto have been trying to get into Ukraine since the early 00's because the soil there is particularly suited to GM crops, so that has benefits for increasing the food available on the global markets. Obviously there are disputes over what is the best way to achieve change and some countries are highly resistant to GM crops due to the chemical load on the land including wildlife and human health.

So if history doesn't repeat, it certainly rhymes.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_Bridge#History

> However wars should never been seen in a totally negative light

Ya of course! War is great, it pushed also industrial output and plenty of investments in researches. Plus it gets rid of the weak too! (This paragraph is sarcastic, I've to write it because many probably won't understand)

You should have a word or two with the families of those that lost their relatives in the plenty wars that lacerated this planet recently

or maybe finance yourself a trip to Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria to see how well established these countries are.

> some would argue that wars today are more todo with bringing areas of the planet up to date

Nobody argues that you're the only one. Also because it's clearly a false statement and a total misinterpretation of the war.

Have you ever had a look at other wars or you're taking Ukraine as example only because is the only one that you know about?

Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Congo, Libya. They're just a small list of countries that have been victim of wars recently. None of them is an example of how to rebuild things (or bringing them "up to date", also because they don't benefit the plenty billions of dollars that the US is sending to Ukraine.

but if your theory is really correct, why don't you move to Afghanistan and enjoy the western style of living that was brought there thanks to 20 years of war?