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by JumpCrisscross 5205 days ago
I was an esoteric derivatives trader at an investment bank making money off clueless clients. We actualy prided ourselves, as a prop desk, on not being client facing. I went in expecting to parse global markets for inefficiency while pioneering the frontiers of 21st century finance. As time went on I found that the firm was content with mediocrity (as it could survive by simply existing in its role) and had no time for risky business like thinking.

You delude yourself into thinking you're inherently superior, a "Master of the Universe", even as you have never been able to explain to your mother what you do. Sooner or later you realise your colleagues are smart but terrifically insecure human beings, valuing their roles for who association with the firm's name makes them rather than what they actually do. Thus hierarchy is strictly enforced and innovation rages furiously in quaint, safe areas, e.g. introducing "new" leveraged/inverse hedged swaps, while ignoring fundamental assumptions, e.g. the trading floor should be siloed by product.

The bureaucracy and technical debt, combined with constant turnover in the under-paid operations and IT staff, mean that gaining understanding of the firm's as a whole as of no less than a quarter ago is a Herculean undertaking. And it's worse when you talk about the sales traders - none of them understand their product (they don't need to - the client's the one taking the risk), it's a miracle if they know a few shortcuts in Excel, and every one of them has an opinion on how xyz company (or country) should re-structure without having read a single term sheet or prospectus.

Luckily, there are start-ups that are raging equally furiously but with un-paralleled agility towards the financial sector. Alas, we'll have to find a new slot-in role a la consulting, investment banking, and sales & trading for insecure college graduates without hard skill sets to plump.

Note on recruiting

I've seen some comments tacitly saying Messr Smith should have known what he was getting into when he signed up for the job.

I was recruited by a very charismatic and values-driven MD when I was 19. Our desk merged with the rest of the firm's shitty culture when he was fired for being too ambitious. I didn't join for the six-figure salary - I turned down other offers that paid more at the time. There are lots of other people I know, brighter than I am, who were similarly drawn to the thought of a dynamic work-day filled with brilliant, ambitious people all working to solve difficult problems (that could be a tech company's recruiting ad...). Maybe I should have been more clairvoyant, but in the end what drives people to finance and what drives people to tech isn't all that dissimilar - the unique cultures change like to unlike from there.

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Great story, thanks for sharing. I spent last summer at a hedge fund and found myself dangerously close to becoming one of the prototypical insecure college graduates you so aptly describe. It really is remarkable the delusions of graduation that emanate from a desk with even the most paltry of P&L's for the week. I'm excited to see what might come of the furious yet agile rage directed towards the financial sector. Square and the like seem to have the credit card companies on their heels but revolution in IB still seems distant. Then again, agility and innovation are often underestimated.
Some pointless pedantry: There is no singular title "Messr", because "Messrs" as the plural of "Mr" comes from the French "Messieurs". The French singular is "Monsieur", which is abbreviated as simply "M".
Pointless pedantry continued: "Messr is now a derogatory term for people who resonate arrogance or give the impression that they are conceited."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=messr

Note that the French language officially shortens "messieurs" as "MM."
It's more often Mr, even in French these days...
But it's still wrong (in French).
Could you more clearly define what you mean by “wrong,” please?
Writing "Mr." in French is incorrect. The correct form is "M."

"Mr." is English for Mister "M." is French for Monsieur.

I've seen this mistake made even in letters from banks and mobile phone companies. I cringe every time I see it.

I was just trying to say that if using “Mr.” is becoming the norm in French, then it is becoming correct. I don't know if this is actually the case.
What do you do now, if you don't mind me asking?
HackerNews got me - moving to a tech firm
Sign of the tech bubble? Financiers jumping to tech companies?

The chemists and high school teachers turned ninja hax0r can't be far off. Someone please warn me so I can short XLK.

To me, that's just reallocating resources. Any efficient system of capitalism will see that happening.

However IPO's with unreasonable valuations, and investments greater than what's needed is a pretty good sign of bubble. So i'll let linkedin, and facebook make me scared of a bubble. Not to mention the startup Color.

It's the bursting of the financial sector bubble actually: http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~tphilipp/papers/finsize.pdf.
I believe Joshua Schachter started as a quant at Morgan Stanley.
I hope we don't lose high school teachers to tech companies. The world needs them much more as teachers.
What kind of work will you be doing? I'm in a similar situation (M&A side though), and I'm not sure what kind of value I could bring to a tech firm without the coding skills that are needed in a early stage startup.
Simplest answer: a tech deal team - Google, for example, has one internally.

Abstracted a little, capital markets start-ups. You could add value by hybridising Silicon Valley and New York.

Go any further, e.g. to a Pinterest, and I don't know. Maybe there is a business development role? I'd guess you'd be throwing away a lot of your existing value at that point.

Call people. Most are very willing to help.

Big tech companies are buying up startups left and right. I am guessing they have some ex-M&A guys on staff (Note: The OP said that he was moving to tech, not necessarily a startup)
Forecasting, pricing and marketing analytics roles are all good transitions. Lots of excel still necessary - all you really need to learn is some SQL and maybe R/SAS.
What was your education before working as a trader?
Finance and aerospace engineering
So you got an education both in finance and aerospace engineering before landing a 6 figure derivatives trading job at 19?
Offer at 19, started at 20.
If you are so good as you make it sound, why don't you trade your own money and give part of the profits to charity?