[mantas]

What is enjoyment though? Suicides, mental health issues, obesity, various substances abuse…

Let alone that such enjoyment is on next generations. Wether by wasting resources, abusing environment. Or generation that will never be born thanks to crappy birth rate.

So much enjoyment and such a high quality of life that people ain’t willing to procreate. Yay. Usually nature reacts in such a way in opposite environment.

[wiseowise]

> Suicides, mental health issues, obesity, various substances abuse…

Yeah, because those don’t exist in third world countries.

> Let alone that such enjoyment is on next generations. Wether by wasting resources, abusing environment.

Oh boy, here we go.

> Or generation that will never be born thanks to crappy birth rate. So much enjoyment and such a high quality of life that people ain’t willing to procreate. Yay. Usually nature reacts in such a way in opposite environment.

You base your assumption on a belief of good birth rate=good life=what nature thinks is good, which is completely incorrect.

Give me at least one reason why me and my girlfriend should sacrifice her health, career, mental well-being, money and time to do something we both don’t want to?

[mantas]

> Yeah, because those don’t exist in third world countries.

Of course they do. That's just a natural part of human existance. But dealing with those issues is vastly different. Nowadays in „developed“ world people are pretty much left to their own devices. And some asshats go as far as saying that trying to help those who suffering is bad. „Fat acceptance“ is one of the worst.

> You base your assumption on a belief of good birth rate=good life=what nature thinks is good, which is completely incorrect.

That's how it goes in nature, doesn't it? Life form in a suitable environment starts replicating till it meets natural boundaries. Once environment is no longer suitable, it starts to shrink. I wouldn't call it „good life“ or „bad life“. That's just how the world rolls.

> Give me at least one reason why me and my girlfriend should sacrifice her health, career, mental well-being, money and time to do something we both don’t want to?

I don't have to give you a reason. Your environment was supposed to. But this is a very interesting. You're basically saying that a good part of your quality of life relies on not having kids. Not on your high-quality-of-life environment. Vice versa is correct too IMO. People in poor countries would have higher quality of life if they stopped having kids. Less resources towards kids/education/whatever, more towards nice stuff. But this is a bit like maxing out credit cards. And then calling that high quality of life. Just on a societal level. But some people deep in debt seem to enjoy high quality life, don't they? cough US federal debt cough.

[CatWChainsaw]

Points for originality, at least you don't even pretend to bother to do a denial spiel.