[calny]

Love this result, but I’m wary of drawing conclusions from single studies saying caffeinated or alcoholic beverages are good/bad for X health-related issue. Seems like conflicting results show up frequently.

But let’s hope this stands! Back to my coffee…

[cyberax]

> alcoholic beverages

Alcoholic beverages are bad at any level, according to all the recent studies. Previous studies that found mild positive effects for small doses were confounded by uncontrolled factors that overwhelmed the (mild) negative effects of alcohol.

For coffee, we at least have pretty good data showing that even large quantities don't have seriously bad effects. So lower quantities are probably at least neutral for health.

[Flatcircle]

The one thing that’s certainly anticdotal, but very easy to see, all the people I’ve ever met that make it to late 90’s or over 100, drink alcohol, albeit sensible amounts

[TheDesolate0]

Alcohol is the worst drug and my alcoholic Pts are the sickest people.

We can't treat the pain because the liver is fucked.

Most suffer from EtOH dementia.

Nearly all have pulmonary hypertension to go along with their regular hypertension.

With that goes along CHF and pulmonary emboli and other CVA incidents.

Many suffer agony from pancreatitis, which again we can't treat because of damage to the live.

Alcohol ages every body system rapidly and most of my EtOH Pts have the physiological response of somone 20 years older.

It literally poisons every organ system.

[dillydogg]

I totally agree with you. However, I rationalize this in my mind (in a very biased manner) with this mental gymnastics.

If there was a paper that very thoroughly proved that caffeine was detrimental, it would rocket up into a high tier journal. So I suspect many people may try to look for negative outcomes but aren't finding them. But also I haven't searched for negative chronic effects of caffeine and only hear of results like this. So maybe I'm totally wrong and there's a conspiracy against publishing results on negative effects.

[umvi]

I mean, at the very least caffeine is habit forming/addictive which is one downside from a physical dependence or financial perspective.

[r00fus]

> If there was a paper that very thoroughly proved that caffeine was detrimental, it would rocket up into a high tier journal.

I find this assertion to be farcical. Follow the money - coffee is multibillion dollar market in the US alone. Also it serves the government. Many people in positions of power drink coffee and enjoy it.

Money has power and influences what gets researched.

[JimtheCoder]

There are a plethora of studies showing how people who drink the highest amount of caffeine have the lowest incidence of Parkinsons, another protein misfolding disease.

[baz00]

Feel less bad about that 5th coffee now...

[FollowingTheDao]

It may be that people who get Parkinson's do not crave coffee as much.