[lordnacho]

> he concept that people living in the same geographic area will have similar concerns that need to be addressed makes sense to me.

This is true but then there are other buckets as well. Why should location be the only organizing principle, when we know there are a bunch of concerns that aren't tied to it?

Why not have virtual districts across dimensions? You get a vote for your birth year cohort, a vote for your geographical district, and a vote for your income bracket group. Parliament will be this weird 3D set of people chosen to represent various interests.

Or we just do proportional representation. I find it hard to justify FPTP, it causes wild distortions.

[HPsquared]

Just think of the gerrymandering opportunities such a system would present...

[DennisP]

As long as there's a separate vote for each dimension, this seems like an improvement. Gerrymandering would be significantly harder on age and income, since they're one-dimensional. If age is defined by birth year, then that would have no gerrymandering at all.

[DennisP]

You don't need proportional representation to get away from FPTP. Approval voting and score voting look especially good and they wouldn't require a change to the constitution.

[dragonwriter]

> You don't need proportional representation to get away from FPTP.

But you should, since proprortionality as a property has strong evidence of being practically producing better piblic satisfaction with government, as well as having a strong theoretical argument for being the best measure of the degree to which a “representative” body actually is representative.

> Approval voting and score voting look especially good and they wouldn't require a change to the constitution.

Approval voting and score voting look especially bad for public elections in a multicultural society, since they call for abstract ratings that where there are well-established cultural variations in assignment for the same actual sentiment, and treat them as having consistent meaning.

And rough PR in the House (e.g., by STV) doesn't require a Constitutional amendment, either, only a statutory change.

[ClayShentrup]

there's no evidence that proportional repreesntation can achieve a higher level of voter satisfaction than good single-winner methods like score voting or approval voting.

and besides, you won't get PR at any scale beyond a handful of cities without first escaping duopoly, which requires score voting or approval voting as a prerequisite.

http://scorevoting.net/PropRep

[dragonwriter]

> there's no evidence that proportional repreesntation can achieve a higher level of voter satisfaction than good single-winner methods like score voting or approval voting

Proportional representation isn’t a method, its an axis of measurement, and there is very good evidence that better performance on that axis produces better outcomes in terms of satisfaction with government among the citizenry.

There is neither evidence nor even a theoretical reason to think that what you call “good” single winner methods (which are “good” only by abstract mathematical criteria only applicable to single-winner methods which themselves have no empirical link to good outcomes, and which make assumptions like that ballot markets have some consistent meaning across voters that are known false for the kind of rating systems they use) either would in practice perform good (or even better than FPTP) on that measure or defy the observed relation of that measure with satisfaction.

> and besides, you won't get PR at any scale beyond a handful of cities without first escaping duopoly, which requires score voting or approval voting as a prerequisite

This first part of that sentence is a ludicrous claim offered with no support. If you mean “you can't establish a better voting method without buy-in from those elected under the current methods”, that’s false in any jurisdiction with citizen initiatives (as many US states have). Whether states adopting this can be sufficient to create political pressure to negate the problem on a national basis is... well, that's certainly a question.

If you mean “no matter what voting method you adopt, it won’t produce very proportional results as long as there is an existing duopoly for incumbent officeholders in the same body”, perhaps because of some kind of partisan/media momentum effect, then there is probably a kernel of truth there, in that it will probably take more than one electoral cycle to transition to producing results close to the natural degree of proportionality of the new voting method if it is radically divergent from the former one, but that's a frictional effect, not a binary switch.

The second part, though, is even worse. There is neither evidence nor even a good theoretical argument to suggest that there is some scale where you can’t get from FPTP to something producing more proportional results without the first step being score or approval voting. And your link provides neither evidence or argument on this point, only the bare claim that the author(s) “very much doubt you are going to get it” without range (i.e., Score) voting (apparently rejecting your claim that Approval is viable) as a “preparatory step”.