Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by amelius 1047 days ago
And what to think of this book, where the author literally persuades people to megadose on the hormone:

https://www.amazon.com/Melatonin-Transform-Melatonin-resilie...

It's mindboggling that this is freely available.

4 comments

> Dr John Lieurance is a Chiropractic Neurologist and Naturopathic Physician

I had never heard of a Chiropractic Neurologist. Interesting.

Welp reading about him was a wild ride. To save people a click -

> After becoming severely ill with Lyme, EBV and Mold illness, Dr John Lieurance began to explore ways to improve health at the deepest cellular level. His journey brought him to discover Melatonin as the core anti-oxidant that supports all systems in the body. His book on Melatonin takes a deep dive into healing naturally and using high dose melatonin, along with various other practical healing methods to heal the body and live a longer and more vital life.

His life focus is on vitality, longevity and enhanced consciousness. His interest is in connecting what he calls, "The 3 legs of a stool": Vitality of the body, Mind Mastery & a Direct experience of God. Using science and ancient wisdom, he aims to connect these dots in his own journey to becoming the best version of himself in this life. Diving deeply into many healing methods, to discover the deepest and most profound means to activate cellular energy, such as with Melatonin, Methylene Blue, NAD+, as well as fasting with various nutrients to activate responses. Dr. John explores many new paths in the health care world, with his unique & fresh ideas using various delivery systems, such as suppositories and nasal sprays and various protocols he has created. He attended Parker College of Chiropractic & received his Naturopathic degree in 2001 from St. Luke's School of Medicine. He has practiced Functional Neurology, Naturopathic medicine and Regenerative Medicine, using stem cell therapy in Sarasota for 25 years. Founder of the Advanced Rejuvenation Center in Sarasota, Florida, and founder of Functional Cranial Release – which is an Endo-Nasal Cranial Treatment with the ability to unlock the spinal fluid to allow profound healing of the nervous system. See his next book "It's All in Your Head: Endo-Nasal Cranial Therapy". He has been involved in multiple clinical trials, including investigation into the use of stem cells for Parkinson's Disease, COPD, OA of the knee and hip from 2012-2014. He has a clinical focus on mold illness, Lyme disease and chronic viral infections.

You haven’t heard of it because it’s unfortunately pseudo science.
A chiropractor flirting with pseudoscience is disappointing. He should have stuck with evidence based things like treating fever with spinal alignments.
That book screams things such as conspiracy, pseudoscience, crazy guy, cult leader and anything in between, to me.
Well, you read the random summary and not the actual book so you're the expert here.

Any eye catching news headlines you would like to share?

Yes, the absolute mind boggling horror of free people being able to decide for themselves what to ingest.
> Yes, the absolute mind boggling horror of free people being able to decide for themselves what to ingest.

Absolute horror that people ingest things based on a lie. It's on level of this powder doesn't contain asbestos. Just because he isn't a big corp doesn't mean he is free to lie and profit on his lies.

To me that’s less of a horror and more of needing not to believe everything you read.
And how I'm supposed to decide what to believe? Because I don't have infinite amount of time to become expert at everything.
Perhaps you could defer to whatever group of experts you prefer to believe.

Now, my group of preferred experts might be different from yours.

The problem is that capitalism drives people to push lies as fact, and manipulate people into believing those lies. "Well maybe people just shouldn't be so gullible" clearly isn't a solution, or the problem would be solved already.

I don't think that's an excuse to start banning books (and other media), but products like this -- especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicine -- should be vetted by actual experts (more than one), and stores should be required to post disclaimers when the product doesn't pass muster.

Yes, there's the potential for abuse and shady dealings there, but I'd like to believe that the end result would still be better than what we have now.

Now, some people are just raised to believe in complete nonsense, so you're not going to save everyone by trying to educate them. But I think it'd help many people not get drawn in by (potentially dangerous) pseudoscience.

Uh, capitalism does that?

Capitalism is responsible for a lot of evils in the world but it is not the root cause of people lying.

>especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicine -- should be vetted by actual experts (more than one), and stores should be required to post disclaimers when the product doesn't pass muster.

No thanks to the nanny warning. I've reading plenty of books on alternative medicine and without exception they all have a warning along these lines:

"The medical information contained within is provided as an information resource only, and is not to be used or relied on for any diagnostic or treatment purposes. This information does not create any patient-physician relationship, and should not be used as a substitute for professional diagnosis and treatment. Please consult your health care provider before making any health care decisions or for guidance about a specific medical condition."

An additional sign is not necessary IMO. We're grown adults.

"No thanks to the nanny warning."

This isn't directed at you then - if you actually have experience and done some real research (not read some news articles), great. Make informed decisions.

"We're grown adults."

A non sequitor. Grown adults are often unknowledgeable, incorrect, strapped for time, etc.

I've frequently seen nonsense pushed as fact, and known that I don't actually know everything. I welcome better (human agency, crowd-source mix) vetting in general.

I'm not so arrogant that I think I can always "do my own research" and get it right.

I think your proposed cure is far worse than the disease. It would have a profound chilling effect on free speech.
Eh?

"and stores should be required to post disclaimers when the product doesn't pass muster."

What about this is restrictive of free speech? If anything, YOU want to restrict the speech of the store to not allow them to say things they sell might be nonsense.

I think for medical things, oversight and general blurbs are fine. Its also fine if the store in question wants to post a blurb where they disagree with the "vetted" version. But this tramples on nobodies free speech, only on your personal sensibilities.

It creates a huge transaction cost on content "that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicine". First, some unspecified actor will need to make sure that such content is vetted by experts, however that status is to be determined. Secondly, stores will need to make sure that each item containing such content provides a suitable disclaimer. Thirdly, some bureaucracy will be tasked with enforcing these rules.

It would simply be much easier to not produce any content "that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicine."

Agreed.