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by hilbert42 1043 days ago
Even if the hype over LK-99 comes to nothing it became evident to me several days ago that this research has likely changed scientific publishing permanently—and I'd almost bet on the fact if the research is confirmed.

What made this a such a huge tech event with the world watching on was that the research was on a subject that has captured the imagination of both scientists and the lay public for many decades and that it was posted on arxiv.org website which is open and copyright-free, similarly, we witnessed peer review processes also occurring out in the open and in public for all to see—and essentially in real time! Contrast this with the traditional tech journal process, Nature, Science, IEEE Proceedings, The Lancet, etc. which takes months to publish, and is a closed process not to mention papers being the whim of editors who often reject them (and sometimes very significant ones at that).

Irrespective of whatever outcome eventuates, the contrast between traditional, slow and now-very-expensive scientific publishing with that of this speedy, exciting, open and participatory model that's copyright-free will be obvious to everyone.

Moreover, this is happening at a time when the traditional for-profit scientific publishing has come under enormous criticism with Elsevier and others milking the university and scientific establishments to breaking point and the rise of Sci-Hub as a countermeasure. Whilst academics have been aware of the problem for quite some time the general public has not. This research and how it played out on arxiv.org in just two weeks won't be forgotten easily.

If I were a director of Elsevier and after witnessing what's happened in less than two weeks I'd be damn worried.

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This puts Nature's position here as on display in TFA (they don't have to publish everything that is sent in) in a different light. There might be an element of sour grapes here, and if the research is validated then it will have a huge impact on them.
This isn't "Nature's position". This is a freelance science writer's position, and they paid him for the article. Nature wouldn't even weigh in with a real editorial opinion at this point.
It is their name on the masthead. If they don't agree with it they shouldn't publish it. Doing this 'at arms length' allows them to have this under their banner while at the same time being able to say 'that wasn't us'.
This is standard practice in journalism which is widely used.

If you weren't so involved in the field, would you even care?

Yes, I care. I've been a subscriber since the 80's, Nature, SA and the Lancet. I don't think any of them should pull a 'Ted-X'.
I went through and reread the whole news article.

There's nothing wrong with this article. I really don't see what you have to complain about. It's broadly factual, and roughly consistent with the mainstream opinion at this point: there is no smoking gun evidence of anything, and the noise being generated by social amateurs is making it hard to find the real signal from the small number of groups competent enough to make useful statements about this "discovery".

> I don't think any of them should pull a 'Ted-X'.

That ship's long since sailed, see all those 'Nature Whatver' journals.

Nature certainly would not platform my position on this one. Why would they choose this other person?

Why can I tell you what it says without even reading the headline?

Why did they publish it?
Interesting. Personally as a huge advocate of open science, the LK99 stuff has revealed to me flaws in rapid communication of science.

The lay public becomes far too overinvolved.

What are the flaws? Why is the lay public not allowed to be involved? That sounds like elitist gatekeeping. The truth will come out regardless. Why can't everyone share in the excitement?
Most topics are sufficiently boring (or presented in a boring way) that it won't cause any issues.

The problem arises, when journalists publish some bad interpretation or oversimplification. That's where the review is needed.

Yeah. For everyone watching with excitement, keep in mind that the silicon semiconductor was for years worse in practice than germanium ones, even if it was theoretically better and cheaper. It took advancements in material sourcing, kilns, etc. etc.

Give this material 20 years, and we will see how it fared.

I think this might be a bit exceptional as far as public engagement goes. So I wouldn’t necessarily judge public engagement based on this case.

“Rocks float” vs “rocks not float” is a very easy success criteria for the average person to judge by, lowering the bar for the average person to feel like they can add something to the conversation… so when we add in the potential revolutionary aspects of a room temperature superconductor we have a recipe for significant engagement… it’s even engaging the gawker reflex and people are picking up on it be LK99 is a weird trending topic and people will check to see if it’s an airplane that crashed or something …

In essence it was, by sheer coincidence, bound to go viral… and only because of a number of properties that others won’t have…

> posted on arxiv.org website which is ... copyright-free

Content on arvix is copyrighted by the authors, who then choose one of the available licenses to allow redistribution under (mostly CC ones).

https://info.arxiv.org/help/license/index.html