[harry8]

Ok this conversation can get pretty silly, let's try to avoid that.

Now at 2023 we have lifted more people out of poverty and ill-health in both raw numbers and as a percentage of the population than any time in the planet's history.

Without prescribing anything in so far as dealing with the world's problems, be careful flippantly trading that off. It may not be you, your friends and your family that previously watched their children die and now don't but I don't see that as making this quite frankly stunning achievement as an irrelevance.

https://www.gapminder.org/fw/world-health-chart/

[generativenoise]

Yes we have made great progress with maternal and basic health, these are really great and represent real meaningful knowledge and capability gains. However, there are other health trends that are not looking very promising at the moment that take a bit of the shine off.

Poverty has some very definitional issues with the chosen metrics and I am hesitant to actually draw any conclusions on if it has brought net positive human fulfillment.

In any case the whole system is a pretty precarious place at the moment with rapidly closing windows to maintain stability, and if we don't those "stunning achievements" are going not going to persist in a meaningful way.

[NovaDudely]

It is easy to look rich when you are maximizing the credit cards.

It is easy to pull people out of poverty when short term thinking can overshoot beyond long term carrying capacity.

[actionfromafar]

When the oil is running out, how will you make the fertiliser?

[pierat]

With the billionaires?