[saiya-jin]

Visiting back is not what he meant, rather a permanent move.

The thing is, regardless of him collaborating with regime, is that if you spend decades elsewhere, its very hard to come back. The "back" changes without you being part of it, so technically its impossible and you move into relatively foreign place with people you know and don't in the same time, even if folks still speak your language.

Also, I presume most of you don't know this, but if he had in 90s any longing for home after communism fell, a quick visit would cure practically anybody. Society was a mess, wolves robbing state and society of everything possible, leaving bloody trails everywhere. People were beheaded (in my town one morning a cop's head was found on top of his car), or dissolved in acid (again even people my parents actually knew). Ministers were mafia-style executed in broad day (still not solved). Common folks were robbed in privatizations of state's properties (literally some form of ponzi scheme or worse were happening on state level). Organized crime and top politicians were very tightly intertwined.

This all improved nowadays but not as much as we would like.

If you see this and much much more, why on earth would anybody move from France? That's much more advanced, free and intellectual-friendly society, at that time by mega-parsecs.

[The_Colonel]

Sounds like a strong exaggeration. The 90s were rough in comparison to time before and after, but no, beheadings and dissolving bodies in acid were not normal.

1998 was the absolute worst in the Czech history in regard to murders with 3 murdered people per 100 000 people. In comparison, US rate in 2021 was 6.8.

> This all improved nowadays but not as much as we would like.

There's always room for improvement, but today Czechia is one of the safest countries on earth (safer than France, for example).

[rebolek]

> Ministers were mafia-style executed in broad day (still not solved).

What country are you talking about? Certainly not Czech Republic.

[morbicer]

What? Nineties were a bit wild but not "society was a mess".

  > Ministers were mafia-style executed in broad day (still not solved).

I am not aware a of a single one and you are using plural. Can you name who do you mean?

[lajosbacs]

I'm pretty sure he means Slovakia. Not sure about any minister, but the policemen is true and there was the Kovac case -- maybe not minister, but president's son.

[saiya-jin]

Yes I meant Slovakia, which for part of 90s, the wilder part of that decade as we all can probably agree, was part of Czechoslovakia.

Jan Ducky was the minister executed, he was connected via corruption to many many politicians still active today, even former Czech prime minister Babis (who comes from Slovakia), he is actually one of the suspects who ordered it back in 90s.

Dissolving folks in acid was done in both states, before and after we split. Of course we only hear about cases which were discovered, back home many ended up permanently "missing". But anyway I don't think I was clear (or you guys misunderstood me) - its not for the crime rate alone that would make people like Kundera not wanting to come back, but overall state of society and state itself. If you paint yourself 90s as some sort of pinnacle of our history where everybody was happy and people were singing and dancing on the streets, we must have lived in different universes then.

I mean its 2023, I happily live in Switzerland for many years, having lived in both Czech republic and Slovakia long term in the past, and I would not go back for exactly same reasons. What most rich folks back there (CZ and SK too) do is create a bubble around themselves to not be part of rest of society - but that's desperate attempt for quality of life which is a baseline in other places. Kind of South Africa approach although you can see it in other places where middle class evaporated. Definitely not a place I want to raise my kids, or grow old with all that it brings.

[Hitton]

>Yes I meant Slovakia, which for part of 90s, the wilder part of that decade as we all can probably agree, was part of Czechoslovakia

No, we don't agree. Wild part of 90s was result of voucher privatization, which barely started before the split of Czechoslovakia.

[The_Colonel]

Also, the president's son was hijacked, but not executed. He came out of that unharmed (harming him also wasn't planned at all).