[dmode]

But doesn't alcohol trigger a wildly different reaction than hard drugs ? Which alcohol triggers schizophrenia, psychosis, hallucination and make you violent ? And these are triggered very very easily by using a small amount of meth or fentanyl. To get to a comparable state with alcohol, you would have to drink copious amount, but then you are more likely to be passed out than exhibit violent behavior.

I agree with your other point though - permissiveness of use shouldn't come with ignoring all societal norms, just because you are a vulnerable drug user. In fact, permissiveness of use should be paired with stricter enforcement of quality of life laws

[mattnewton]

> Which alcohol triggers schizophrenia, psychosis, hallucination

Sounds like acute ethanol withdrawal aka delirium tremens https://g.co/kgs/BHB6p9

> and make you violent ?

People getting violent with alcohol doesn’t need a citation I trust?

These are basically all the arguments for prohibition. Temperance movements work but legal prohibition doesn’t seem to.

[chlorion]

I have used amphetamines extremely heavily for many years and I have never at any time been violent, with or without substances. I also didn't steal, or scam people, or otherwise harm anyone.

When I did meth, I stayed at home and talked on IRC, worked on programming projects, like an IRC bot written in Python. Sometimes I tinkered with Linux stuff, I had a raspberry pi that I ran the IRC bot on.

I played video games sometimes, mainly TF2, insurgency (standalone not sandstorm), a little bit of CS:GO. Probably some others too that I can't remember.

Other than doing that, the only other thing I did is go to work or go shopping or whatever was required. I did not have any problems at work or at the stores.

I actually almost never left my house except to go to work, I have been diagnosed as agoraphobic but I'm not totally sure about it.

Anyways, why exactly should I be put in prison for doing amphetamine and hanging out at home? Who exactly am I harming, or putting at risk of harm?

I do realize that not all cases are like mine, and there are cases where users put other people at risk, but you can't make blanket statements like this and just say "put those violent amphetamine users in prison!" without harming a lot of people who don't deserve it.

I think that the level of antisocial behavior the person exhibits should be taken into account before punishing them is my point, rather than just labeling them as bad because they use $scary-drug.

[hbs18]

"Why should I get a fine for speeding when I was doing 150mph on an empty highway at night? I wasn't endangering anybody, and I have lots of experience driving cars fast!"

[chlorion]

Yes, being in my room and talking on IRC is exactly equal to driving 150mph on the highway. I'm glad we've cleared that up.

[stouset]

Are we just ignoring the whole thing about violent drunks right now? Alcohol and violence are highly correlated.

[theGeatZhopa]

I thinking to stop drinking, but I still sway

[WesolyKubeczek]

> But doesn't alcohol trigger a wildly different reaction than hard drugs ? Which alcohol triggers schizophrenia, psychosis, hallucination and make you violent ?

Every one of them does. Except triggering schizophrenia maybe, which is barely comforting.

> And these are triggered very very easily by using a small amount of meth or fentanyl.

But you're replying to a comment about pot, thereby shifting some goalposts.