[rolandog]

I always like to come up with human analogies for the mental gymnastics that Big Business tries to pull off:

"Wait a minute your honor, here's my newborn child; he's the legal owner of that truck, and therefore he's the one that should be locked up for running over the old lady."

[mrguyorama]

It's basically the sovereign citizen movement, but judges and politicians take it seriously because it enriches them and their cohort and friends and family and economic class.

If you gently poisoned millions of people, entirely on accident, as a private citizen, you would never see the outside of a prison. If you incorporate and claim it's a standard part of your business, you won't even lose your private mansion. Judges have significant leeway in piercing the corporate veil and depriving bad actors of their ill gotten gains, but they don't. The US DOJ has significant leeway to go after companies aggressively and really push for seizing assets of criminals, a cop literally doesn't even need a real justification to do it, but they haven't since Enron.

We've had forty years of the only "punishment" for doing anything wrong as a company being a 1% of ill gotten gains fine, even though none of the actual underlying laws have changed to cause this reduction in punishment. This has been an entirely internal choice. Of course this results in companies largely not giving a fuck about anything that isn't profit.

[dopidopHN]

Tangential but related :

Imagine a bunch of college kids running around water sources with unclear intentions.

Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine. Look at the saint Soline movement in France. Those people try to keep rain water accessible for all. ( as oppose to massive rentension basin for corn only )

Result : they are eco terrorist and should be meet with large deployment of hostile police force. ( thousand of flash ball and tear gaz grenade fired in one single night )

[wahnfrieden]

US feds steal more than burglars do, by dollar value. State and local police do too, but we don't have accurate oversight numbers for these departments.