[scarface_74]

> Based on what? I would never buy an Apple laptop and no one I know has one either

Yes because no one that you know buys an Apple laptop that must mean that Apple isn’t selling any…

> Same for my work laptop, again Windows/x86 and no one I know with a work laptop is supplied a Mac either.

I find the lack of self awareness…amusing.

Because no one you know uses a Mac laptop, that must mean no one uses one.

Well my anecdote from working at the second largest employer in the US that the vast majority of technical people prefer Macs even though they can choose Macs or Windows.

[arp242]

"Apple isn't selling any laptops" wasn't what was said. The original claim was x86 has "thrown in the white flag" and that Apple dominates the laptop market, which is a pretty ridiculous claim since x86 is still the vast majority of laptop sales and Windows is still the dominant laptop OS.

[scarface_74]

> Apple isn't selling any laptops" wasn't what was said

The parent poster said

> would never buy an Apple laptop and no one I know has one either

What relevance then was there in the statement that the original poster made?

> Apple dominates the laptop market, which is a pretty ridiculous claim since x86 is still the vast majority of laptop sales and Windows is still the dominant laptop OS.

Nor did I argue otherwise. I merely called out the silliness of the statement that because the parent poster “doesn’t know anyone who owns one” or that because every developer he knows uses a Windows laptop, that his anecdotal experience has any relevance.

[havblue]

I don't personally see MacBooks as a viable platform either right now, but I would say that this looks like a steady decline for windows x86 laptops until Chrome laptops take over or an arm-based windows replacement takes hold. "Hey this isn't a surrender, it's a war of attrition for the next five years!!!"

[arp242]

Given that 15-20 years ago almost all laptops were x86/Windows, "decline" is pretty much the only direction the platform could go in.

I don't expect either x86 or Windows to go away any time soon – in general I think x86 has been somewhat unfairly maligned, and for most applications (including laptops) it works pretty well and is even the best available choice. I would prefer to say "diversification" or "the existence of actual competition" rather than "decline", as that doesn't imply it's going away.

[scarface_74]

> I don't personally see MacBooks as a viable platform either right now

But yet Apple is selling millions. Someone must see it as a viable experience.

[debugnik]

They're not arguing that Apple doesn't sell laptops, they're refuting that "Windows, Intel, AMD and Nvidia have [...] given the laptop market to Apple". Unless one thinks the laptop market only exists in the US, this idea simply can't match reality, not yet anyway.

[scarface_74]

If they are arguing that, don’t you think their anecdotal “proof” is silly?

> I would never buy an Apple laptop and no one I know has one either.

>no one I know with a work laptop is supplied a Mac either.

I don’t know anyone that uses WeChat. Wouldn’t that be a silly argument?

[debugnik]

Not if the anecdote contradicts an equally unsubstantiated generalisation, honestly. If you're going to complain about the quality of the discussion, do it with both sides, not just the argument you side against.

[scarface_74]

Well, it’s really not that hard to search on Google for “percent of laptops running ARM” and find something slightly less silly than “no one I know owns a MacBook nor does anyone I work with”

And the first link is

https://www.patentlyapple.com/2023/02/apple-currently-owns-9...

It would be much more substantial than anecdotal what his friends and coworkers do.

It’s about as bad as the old Slashdot “do people still watch TV? I haven’t own a TV in 10 years”

[debugnik]

But why do you expect people to put any effort to answer someone that didn't put any either? Subpar comments are begging for subpar replies.

If you want to read a non-silly thread, I suggest looking for a non-silly opener, this website has more than average of those.