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by Frost1x 1060 days ago
>Optimism is (almost) always required in order to accomplish anything of significance. Those who lose it, aren't living up to their potential.

I argue that realism trumps optimism. It's perfectly normal in a realist farming to see something difficult, acknowledge the high risk and failure potential, and still pursue something with intent to succeed.

I've personally grown tired of over optimism everywhere because it creates unrealistic situations and passes consequences of failure in an inequitable way. The "visionary" is rewarded when the rare successes occur, while everyone else suffers the consequences for most failures. No contingency plans for failure, no discussion of failure, and so on. Optimism just takes any idea, pursues it and consequences be someone else's problem and be damned.

Pessimism isn't much better, you essentially think everything is too risky or unlikely to succeed so you never do anything. You live in a state of inaction because any level of risk or uncertainty is too much.

To me, realism is much better. You acknowledge the challenge. You acknowledge the risk. You make sure everyone involved understands it, but you still charge forward knowing you might succeed. Some think if you're not naively optimistic (what most people in my experience refer to as "optimism") you don't create enough pressure. I think that's non-sense.

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While I've said something like this comment scores of times in my life, and it's definitely a necessary corrective for a lot of optimists who don't think too hard about how they think, I don't think it's a useful place to stop. It's not hard to get unanimous agreement with "be a realist!" because it's framed so the alternative is irrationality/delusion. But even among people who agree that the goal should be to reason under uncertainty and assess risks clearly, there will be a spectrum of risk tolerance, and I don't think it's the worst thing ever to describe that as "optimism" vs. "pessimism"! (I fully acknowledge this isn't the dominant usage, but I think some spaces lean this way)

In this context, I tend to read the parent claim as something like, "great success requires willingness to sometimes take worse-than-even odds or pursue modestly-negative-EV opportunities". I'm not sure I agree with the strongest version of that, but I think it's likely that the space of risky paths to great achievement is richer than that of cautious ones.

If everyone were a realist, we wouldn't have half the advances we do. Because what can be "real" is proven wrong through innovation, after all isn't that disruption? :)

Sam Altman talks about this quite frequently, that it's not intelligence or luck necessary for an enduring innovation. It is persistence in the face of inevitability, and a high tolerance for being proven wrong and still persisting

Everybody knows socialism is impossible though. Can't work, not worth trying, don't even think about it.
Realism doesn't work in business. Business success requires 10 people to try for 1 person to succeed. If those 10 people were realists, they wouldn't try.
Depends how much that one person wins and how much the others lose.
You can be a realist visionary.
Absolutely, which is what I advocate for.