[jokethrowaway]

Probably in small doses (like what our ancestors 20000 years ago probably eat when they couldn't find better food) it won't do too much damage. Cooking will also remove some oxalates.

Overall these are plants defense mechanisms. We know they work well as anti bug measures, ruminants have more complex digestive systems to break them down; it's not always clear what prolonged use on humans will cause.

Carnivores advocate against eating oxalates rich food and when you start a diet with no oxalates you will experience some weird symptoms, you can read about oxalates dumping: https://www.doctorkiltz.com/oxalate-dumping

There are plenty of people with "auto immune incurable" diseases who stopped eating vegetables and were relieved of their symptoms.

I personally started experiencing problems after 10 years of a 95% vegan diet and went carnivore, getting rid of a number of weird health issues I couldn't explain.

[elhudy]

> I personally started experiencing problems after 10 years of a 95% vegan diet and went carnivore, getting rid of a number of weird health issues I couldn't explain.

Have you tried just eating many different things in moderation? Fiber has been repeatedly shown to decrease rates of cardiovascular disease, cancer, and all cause mortality. It’s kind of silly to “go carnivore” and use your resulting feelings as a base measurement of success after being vegan. Especially considering many of the benefits of fiber are longer term.

E.g. If you ate a diet of 100% candy bars then switched to vegan or “carnivore”, of course you would “feel better” and your “weird health issues” might go away, but that doesn’t mean either of those diets is the optimal diet for you. They are just better than eating 100% candy bars…

[adrian_b]

Being “carnivore” is a more foolproof choice.

Following an 100% vegan diet in a healthy way requires more care in choosing some appropriate nutritional supplements and in planning what you eat than for any other kind of diet.

I am vegan and I enjoy it, but I would not recommend this for everyone, because there is no doubt that it would be too tedious for most people, who prefer to eat in a more spontaneous way, without needing to ponder whether what they happen to eat has an adequate nutritional content, taking into account what else they had eaten that day.

[hombre_fatal]

I'm starting to have some major doubts about how much you've informed yourself on the topic here when you say "carnivore" is more foolproof than a much less restrictive diet like a plant-based diet.

You can see this just by plugging 2000 calories of meat in Cronometer and viewing the nutrition holes. Even 2000 calories of bagels gives you a wider assortment of nutrients than 2000 calories of beef.

[DropInIn]

Animals are intermediaries which process low bioavailability foods and turn into a nutrient highly bioavailable source.

Bioavailability is something vegans practically refuse to acknowledge let alone discuss.

[hombre_fatal]

This is a popular talking point among carnivore charlatans on social media, but can you show me any meta analysis or randomized controlled trials where they found adverse health effects when humans consume whole plant foods high in oxalates such as leafy greens, beans or whole grains?

I know the charlatans won't. We'll just get petri dish and rat studies but mostly hand-waving narratives.

> Overall these are plants defense mechanisms

This doesn't mean anything. Of the "anti"-nutrients that survive basic cooking, most of them show improved health outcomes in humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600777/

Though I'm not sure how people find it convincing on a rhetorical level. If these "defense chemicals" are so bad, then over what time period are they supposed to hurt us? 100 years? Because the overwhelming balance of evidence only shows improved health outcomes with the consumption of fruit and vegetables, especially the scary ones like dark leafy greens and legumes.

This just sounds like the "eek, a chemical in my food!" rebranded for the 2020s.

Finally, to circle back to the topic at hand, I just wouldn't center my diet around rhubarb leaves. They're about as enticing as celery leaves.