[lazide]

The military gets to demand 24/7 days or article 15.

That means they can order someone to do what they want, regardless. Great/important/necessary if it's life and death and everyone needs it done.

But there is a reason why suicides are so high and post-discharge mental health is always a nightmare. It's a system built on consuming the people in it.

That's called slavery or abuse in civilian life, and it doesn't scale. It does have it's place though.

[psunavy03]

This is not only wrong, it's offensively wrong. I get that there are poor examples of leadership to be seen in the military. But guess what? There's crap leadership in the civilian sector, too, and just because they can't NJP you does not make some workplaces any less toxic.

But to compare standard military culture to slavery or abuse is frankly appalling, especially the former.

[lazide]

You’re welcome to be as appalled as you want. I’ve seen enough to be appalled myself.

At least it’s now a volunteer military, and we don’t send conscripts into the jungle like we used to. Still paid mostly in patriotism for broken bodies and minds though.

The smart deal is warrant officer or contractor if you can swing it. SOC if you’re one of the high speed, low drag types. At least you get more cool stories that way.

[psunavy03]

> Still paid mostly in patriotism for broken bodies and minds though.

I find myself repeating myself in this thread . . . I'm sorry if that's your experience. But your own experience is not universalizable across DoD.

[lazide]

Of course not. I hear the chair force and navy are pretty cush!

Better get it in writing and read the fine print though, not that anyone ever does the first time.