[GiraffeNecktie]

However, history has shown that the best way to change another country is to engage with them on as many levels as possible.

[seanmcdirmid]

Living in China for almost 5 years now, I am beginning to wonder if this is actually true. China was much more open before 2008 Olympics than after, its basically been downhill for the last 3 years. Engagement alone doesn't bring results, there also needs to be an explicit push for progress.

[wisty]

http://www.internetworldstats.com/asia/cn.htm

Chinese internet use:

2000 - 1.7%

2005 - 7.9%

2010 - 31.6%

2012 - ~50%

2015 - ~90%?

That's ... significant. Assuming that mass dissent is not an option, they need to censor more vigorously.