[Zetice]

No, you can’t investigate their claims, as you are not a domain expert. They rely on you trying, however.

And it is not a logical fallacy to disregard their argument entirely. I didn’t say they were wrong, I said they weren’t credible.

[fantasticshower]

I guess we'll have to disagree about whether I'm capable of investigating their claims. Maybe you aren't and that's well and good for you. If you cannot investigate their claims, I don't think there's much more to discuss on this topic.

Thanks for the lively discussion, Zetice!

[Zetice]

Thank you for being a live demonstration to anyone left reading this of how fools and their money are soon parted.

Knowing your limits and knowing how bias creeps in are two skills you clearly lack. I hope nobody depends on you to make these kinds of decisions for them or in a way that impacts them.

[fantasticshower]

For anyone left reading, let this be a live demonstration of how it can be a waste of time to try to convince someone on the Internet their thinking is wrong.

I'm pretty sure Zetice hasn't changed their mind on anything. I haven't really changed my mind on anything.

I still think the things we linked to are valuable. For those of you who have filters that let the information through, I hope you find something useful. Read the paper Zetice linked to and see what questions you come up with. Or don't.

[Zetice]

If you value your safety, ignore every word this person has written. Their way of thinking leaves them extremely vulnerable.

You will be worse off if you think like they do.

[fantasticshower]

Probably best to just ignore everything we've both said (including this advice). There haven't been any published and cited papers about this thread yet so it's too early to tell whether there's anything of value here.

[Zetice]

There have absolutely been published and cited papers in this conversation (I cited one and then cited a book with literally hundreds more), the fact that you don't realize that should make it clear to anyone left reading this what's going on.