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by justin66 1056 days ago
> I don’t understand this heated rhetoric claiming it is the “death of Israeli democracy”-to be consistent, people who claim that would also have to say that the UK and New Zealand are not democracies

I'm not trying to be harsh but it's weird how frequently this (badly offtopic) subthread has been speculative, when there are plenty of Israeli newspapers wherein the reasons for the rift in Israel are discussed to the nth degree... in English... by people who know what they're talking about.
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smsm42 1056 days ago
It is true that Israeli newspapers - and non-Israeli ones - discuss it at length, and it is also true that the current crisis is a successor and the consequence of many historical developments and controversies, taking root before the state has been even established. This is exactly why one familiar with the history and the background of the question learns to take claims like “death of Israeli democracy” with a big dose of skepticism. It is true that some changes are happening, and it is true many aren't happy with them, but it's very far from the claims like the one that started this thread.
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justin66 1056 days ago
Are you an Israeli?
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skissane 1056 days ago
> when there are plenty of Israeli newspapers wherein the reasons for the rift in Israel are discussed to the nth degree... in English... by people who know what they're talking about.

You are incorrectly assuming I haven’t read any of those articles, and then using that incorrect assumption to dismiss my argument without actually engaging with it

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justin66 1056 days ago
I guess that's true. In my defense, your argument, and the implication that half of Israelis are just being overly "heated" and if they understood things better they would realize that the current process will leave them with a government whose checks and balances are comparable to the UK or New Zealand, is really dumb.

Like, so dumb that ideally you'd read my restatement above and have an epiphany about how dumb what you said was, and familiarize yourself with the facts. A guy can dream.

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skissane 1056 days ago
The site guidelines [0] say:

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

If you think my comparison between the constitutional situation of Israel and that of UK and New Zealand is wrong, by all means provide a detailed explanation of why - that would be “conversing curiously”. But simply calling my argument “really dumb” isn’t

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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