[SideburnsOfDoom]

I'm finding this rather weak sauce shilling.

You're welcome to dwell in the weeds of specific cases. There are others (e.g. https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-... )

I note that you switch from "not proven yet" to "zero" which is not honest. Like a Tesla, you need to pick a lane.

Fundamentally, "just a beta" is not as far along as an approved shipping product. The shipping product is harder to fake, and we cannot rule out deception here.

[mavhc]

That article is out of date now, FSD works on highways.

Meanwhile I've found 0 evidence of any member of the public who owns a Mercedes using Drive Pilot 2 years after it was announced.

I'm sure if FSD ever kills anyone it will be headline news. It is weird there's no NHTSA webpage about the results of their investigations though.

[SideburnsOfDoom]

> Meanwhile I've found 0 evidence of any member of the public who owns a Mercedes using Drive Pilot 2 years

I honestly don't know why that's supposed to be relevant. I see plenty of videos of it on YouTube after a 5-second search. No, it's not the HN crowd who have it and post here, but so what, that proves nothing at all. It's actually a bit of a weird outlier to have your ego tied up with promoting someone else's product for free online. "I've never seen it, therefor it doesn't happen" is not really true.

> FSD works on highways.

Legally though, "Statements about the "FSD works" should not be taken to imply that this is out of beta and therefor works unambiguously, or is technically actually "full self driving".

You keep trying to blur the line between "experimental feature" and the finished thing, marketing and certified, and then extrapolating to false claims about "hit 0 people" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-a...

being "just a beta" gives them wiggle room to make claims that they don't have to back up properly. It is a key point that you do not engage with. I know that you want to believe, but I refer you to my comments above on the topic. Legal lines do make a difference, and not being able to meet them, while claiming otherwise, is a red flag.

[mavhc]

My point about Drive Pilot is no one is using it, how can it be known to be safe if it's not actually used? There's plenty of videos of Mercedes demoing it to journalists, but who's actually bought one and used it, has it even been actually released yet?

That article says it's about Autopilot, not FSD. My claim that FSD has hit 0 people still hasn't been refuted by anyone. Meanwhile humans have killed 3000 people while driving today.

All these graphs from NHTSA data ignore the warning on NHTSA's page that the data is not useful for statistical analysis. When they actually publish the cause of the crashes, and what software was being used at the time, we will have actual knowledge. If it turns out that FSD was killing 1000s of people they'd probably have said something by now