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by Timon3 1056 days ago
> Is injecting a person with mRNA that makes them produce a particularly nasty spike protein zero risk? No. Is this spike protein one of those? Does it end up where it shouldn't?

Aren't you getting the same spike protein when you're infected by COVID, which is more likely if you're not vaccinated? That would mean the vaccinations reduce your exposure to the spike protein.
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unsupp0rted 1056 days ago
> Aren't you getting the same spike protein when you're infected by COVID

That's the entire goal. But is it the same spike protein? Does it end up in the same tissues as COVID? Does the mRNA delivery & creation vector matter?

I rolled the dice and got triple-vaxxed, on the assumption that I'm better off than getting covid with a naive immune system, but I wasn't under any illusions that it's anything but a some-unknown-%-loaded-in-my-favor dice roll.

There wasn't enough time to wait years and see what the outcomes are, and also most people on the planet were guaranteed to get covid soon anyway.

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Timon3 1056 days ago
> But is it the same spike protein?

As far as I'm aware, yes.

> Does it end up in the same tissues as COVID? Does the mRNA delivery & creation vector matter?

I haven't seen any evidence for different tissue, or effects due to mRNA delivery & creation. Given how big the anti-COVID-vax movement and industry is I feel fairly sure that any such issues would have been found by now.

> I rolled the dice and got triple-vaxxed, on the assumption that I'm better off than getting covid with a naive immune system, but I wasn't under any illusions that it's anything but a some-unknown-%-loaded-in-my-favor dice roll. > There wasn't enough time to wait years and see what the outcomes are, and also most people on the planet were guaranteed to get covid soon anyway.

I think this is a fair way of putting it, but at the same time it feels like the potential criticisms towards the vaccines always far outweigh any such criticisms towards COVID itself.

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unsupp0rted 1055 days ago
> As far as I'm aware

> I haven't seen any evidence

> I feel fairly sure

> it feels like

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Timon3 1055 days ago
I'm not perfect, so I qualify my statements. What is your issue with that? Would you like it better if I pretended that I know everything with 100% certainty?
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unsupp0rted 1055 days ago
That is my point: none of this well understood, by you/me/anyone, and it's absurd to assume it is.

Absolutely none of our base assumptions related to these mRNA vaccines don't require extreme scrutiny. It's not tinfoil-hat territory to say so.

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Timon3 1055 days ago
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't do further research in mRNA interventions, or that it's perfectly understood. I'm arguing that we also don't understand COVID well, and that we should use similar levels of care for both, instead of treating COVID as fully understood and only looking at mRNA with a healthy dose of scepticism.
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