[throwawaymaths]

lots of negativity in here from people who have invested a lot of effort learning python, despite that there's also people who complain a lot about ML/DS in python. Is it an expression of sunk cost fallacy? If you don't support people who are trying to make a difference, nothing will change.

[mrdoops]

It's a weird mental block too - learning a language like Elixir, being so well designed and documented, is as comfortable as it gets.

Devs we hire without direct Elixir experience pick it up really quick (within a couple weeks). The energy needed to "get good" with Elixir is really not much considering it provides veritable super powers on the backend and introduces a whole category of concurrency concepts that are not easy to grasp elsewhere.

[throwawaymaths]

specifically over python, immutability in function passing is amazing for beginners and dealing with beginners.

How confident are you that the junior you just hired is operating correctly in the other_code module they're responsible for

    import other_code, as: other

    def f:
        my_dict = {"foo": 1, "bar": 2}
        other.function(my_dict)
        return my_dict["foo"] # ==>  you might be wrong about what's in my_dict

[codybontecou]

Do you know which resources your devs are using to learn Elixir from scratch?

[mrdoops]

* Elixir-lang Intro: https://elixir-lang.org/getting-started/introduction.html

* Exercism track: https://exercism.org/tracks/elixir

* Sasa Juric's book: https://www.manning.com/books/elixir-in-action-third-edition

* Dave Thomas's Elixir Course: https://codestool.coding-gnome.com/courses/elixir-for-progra...

* Phoenix Guides: https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/overview.html

* Ecto Guides: https://hexdocs.pm/ecto/getting-started.html

The above covers the language basics/ideas/concepts and the main tooling (Phoenix/Ecto) if you're looking to build apps or get an Elixir job. I definitely recommend the Phoenix Guides or similar - they're very high quality and kept up to date with any new releases or changes while books can sometimes get out of date.

[codybontecou]

Perfect, thank you a ton.