[mvncleaninst]

> Having this mindset sets you up to a gloriously ignorant life. It is basically programming yourself to lie to yourself until you die and be happy with it.

Are you implying that people who have done psychedelics have somehow transcended ignorance? Seems kind of hard to believe

[cb5r]

No, I was not trying to imply that. I was saying that praising to not want to change ANYTHING about the way a system works is a way of being happily ignorant. Psychedelics have a way of forcing you out of this ignorance and for some people this seems very scary (because it means change - and many people don't like change).

[mvncleaninst]

> No, I was not trying to imply that.

> Psychedelics have a way of forcing you out of this ignorance

Is there a contradiction here? You said that you weren't saying that they transcend ignorance, and then say that they force you out of ignorance.

Which one is it?

[cb5r]

No contradiction.

"to have a way of" does not mean that something is 100% certain to happen but that it frequently happens.

[mvncleaninst]

But are you saying that in the cases where it frequently does happen, that the people who experienced it have somehow "transcended ignorance"? What does that mean in practice

[cb5r]

One can be ignorant in different aspects. In various situations, one walks around with blinders on. One "only sees what one wants to see", because the brain filters out everything else that does not match ones world view - which is based on ones knowledge and, especially, beliefs. Psychedelics can act as a trigger (as can other things as well) to temporarily remove these blinders, making one able to see/feel/experience things the brain always ignored before, ONCE. Now, that one has "seen" it, one can choose to incorporate this into ones world view and daily life. There are many stages to this, which are part of the "therapeutic process" of psychedelics.