[beaker52]

So how exactly are we supposed to do things then? Just start putting in effort and communicate vaguely for maximum directionless effort?

That sounds like the kind of activity that needs to be shut down to me.

So here we are at two schools: Unconsidered busy effort vs Considered intentional effort

[psd1]

I think both of you are holding the idea of ranking organisational strategies on a linear scale. But what works for a tech startup might not be good for operating a chemical plant.

[marcinzm]

The worst cases of pointless busy work I've seen were when everyone follows an out of date plan that they know is out of date because the effort to change it is too high.

[prox]

Everything exists on a gradient. Your goals are valid and methodology probably as well if you meet them.

Do you discuss the minutiae of what you guys can eat for lunch? Probably overdoing it.

Do you discuss the minutiae of a technical piece of equipment or software that is mission critical? Probably the right kind of effort to be as precise as possible.