[Ygg2]

> Such a load of bull. I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing anything next time

What are chances that everyone globally will just switch to vegan diet to save on CO2 before 2050 or whatever end date? My fair estimate is zero.

It's like wishing people aren't lazy or corrupt or that are more honest. To quote the poet "You don't get what you want".

[myshpa]

Animal ag. is the leading culprit of the mess we're in (together with fossil fuels, ofc). The reason nobody at political level talks about it is because they feel it's a political suicide.

If there was a significant portion of the population with changed habits (and numbers of vegans and vegetarians are rising fast in the last few years, so much that it's affecting sales of meat and dairy already), the abolishing of animal ag subsidies will be much more probable.

Then without subsidies the reduction in consumption is automatic - the price would take care of that. 90% (IIRC) of corporate profits in animal ag comes from subsidies.

Otherwise ... to quote the poet ... "You'll get what you don't want".

[layer8]

> If there was a significant portion of the population with changed habits

It’s exceedingly hard to get people to change habits. That’s why people in this thread don’t believe it will be a realistic (timely enough) solution if left up to mere individual decisions and not forced by systemic changes.

[myshpa]

I don't believe in systemic changes coming on its own anymore. They will be forced by angry citizens, or not at all.

We've had 50+ years of climate change warnings, and nothing has really happened.

We're still not doing much... For example, the percentage of coal consumption is still around 82%, even after minor advancements in renewable sources.

Nobody at the political level is even talking about the need for a reduction in meat consumption, despite scientists being very vocal about this.

I simply feel that this is something that has to come (could come) from "down below."

[Ygg2]

> Animal ag. is the leading culprit of the mess we're in

Citations needed. I think cars/trucks are much bigger polluters than cows. Not to mention the ubiquitous industries of plastic, steel and cement.

https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector

Points that Agriculture is 18.6% of total CO2 emissions. Out of which plants related emissions make like 4%. Granted, part of that is animal feed, but you'll have to replace meat calories with something else.

[myshpa]

Check this thread, I've already provided some of the sources.

All those sectors you've mentioned are absolutely problem too. Animal ag is 15-26% of our carbon budget, depending on which source you'll pick. That's already bigger that cement, and almost all of transport.

But animal ag is not just the emissions alone, and not only cows. Just with afforestation potential (land use change of pastures) we'd be able to store our entire 1.5C carbon budget.

This is a short (and incomplete) list of impacts of (animal & industrial) agriculture. It's imho clear from this list that animal ag (which is 75-80% of all ag) is the major culprit.

- Greenhouse gas emissions

- Deforestation (40+% of pastures used to be forests)

- Land degradation

- Water pollution

- Water overconsumption

- Loss of biodiversity

- Antibiotic resistance

- Ocean dead zones

- Inefficient land and resource use

- Ethical concerns regarding animal welfare

- Zoonotic diseases

- Air pollution

- Eutrophication

- Soil erosion

- High energy consumption

- Chemical runoff from pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers

- Destruction of habitats and ecosystems

- Inequality in global food distribution

- Public health risks from foodborne illnesses

- Nutrient pollution

- Strain on waste management systems

- Overfishing (40-70% of plankton gone, sharks 90% gone, fish almost gone)