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by psychphysic 1068 days ago
No one is really interested in doing the work to slow global warming.

- Build nuclear power plants everywhere. Yes even in countries like Iran and North Korea

- Don't subsidize fossil fuel use by any mechanism. Yes dropping the Russian fuel cap.

- Make reducing emissions a priority that means it comes first in consideration. Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan.

You will not get everything you want.

But if you believe climate change is civilization ending then you need to give up what you don't need.

Just Stop Oil is super obnoxious but if climate change is destroying our planet why is it they still get openly assaulted in the street in a "first world" country? It's because people aren't even willing to be late to the cinema.

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Stop cutting trees and turning forests (rain or otherwise) into Savanna's. 'For agriculture'.
~agriculture~

Meat

No agriculture. Broadscale monoculture crops, grown and harvested and distributed with fossil-fuel inputs. Essentially an outdoors factory.
Agriculture which is used to feed the animals. Look at soy in the Amazon, most is used in the meat industry
Probably most, but here (south eu) a lot of forest is being and was cut down for planting shitty fruit trees and other crops (not for animals; for humans & cosmetics) that are no substitute for what was removed.
Just stop having babies.
Just stop othering the problem.

Look in the mirror. Have you been on a plane? Do you use motor transport? Does your home have electricity? The problem is you, not some baby in a country where people consume in a year what an American does in a day.

I didn't specify a country where people should stop having babies. As far as I'm concerned, every one baby Americans have is more ecologically harmful than 5 babies in Africa.

It's not othering the problem. I think that the people who are already here are already doing enough damage, and that it's enormously selfish and pathologically narcissistic to want to add more humans to the world just to pass along your DNA. Of all the things you listed, I will never consume more than one human's worth of those resources. Whereas for every child you have, you are placing a claim on exponentially increasing resources in perpetuity.

> Does your home have electricity?

Dumb arguments like this do more harm to the climate change cause than anything else. It comes across as an unreasonable and uneducated point of view that no one listens to.

Why be passive? Design cars to kill their occupants turn them to compost. Even more green.
This is like if I said "stop buying Bitcoin" and you were like "why not just set all your money on fire?"
No it's not. It's like if you said to stop making Bitcoin miners, and they said to intentionally sabotage existing Bitcoin miners.
Fine point. I was trying to leave mining out of it.

Anyway, an argument towards stopping future use and abuse of a broken system is not equivalent to an argument to destroy existing structures. The former is corrective; the latter is revolutionary. Revolutions are stupid and useless because they always result in a new iteration of the existing problem.

It's already happening: https://youtu.be/A6s8QlIGanA
> Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan.

When they said these are important matters in TV, did you really believe them? These, among many other issues, are not even in the queue my friend.