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by ShadowBanThis01 1066 days ago
I was going to ask if this would be good to use with a Framework laptop... but it doesn't look like you can even get Thunderbolt for the Framework...

Update (I can't reply to the reply because of HN's "posting too fast" bullshit): Thanks for the reply. I thought a TB port would have to be one of the modules, and none is listed. But I guess TB ports are built-in, based on this: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptops-are-now-thunderbol...
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natejlong 1066 days ago
No, they do (unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying).

Framework laptops with 11th gen Intel boards seem to unofficially support it, and 12th-gen and beyond boards are officially thunderbolt certified. This applies to all four ports on the Framework 13.

Source: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptops-are-now-thunderbol...

If you're seeing something otherwise let me know, though!

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kelnos 1066 days ago
Unfortunately, the BIOS update for the 12th-gen for full TB compliance has been in beta (and has known issues) for more than 6 months now, with no final release in sight. Most TB devices work fine without the update, though, from what I understand.
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deaddodo 1066 days ago
Thunderbolt isn't a port type, it's an interconnect. You can read a summary of this here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/1225cru/how_d...

But, the takeaway is, you wouldn't see a "thunderbolt" port separate from a USB-C port; the physical interface doesn't differ, just how the data is marshalled along the wire.

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ShadowBanThis01 1065 days ago
I never said you would see a separate port. But there ARE USB-C ports that do not support Thunderbolt. Therefore I expected TB capability to be called out in the module description for the USB-C ones.
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deaddodo 1065 days ago
You're missing the entire point.

If I have a laptop with two USB-C ports, but only one supports thunderbolt, that is because one is wired to the xHCI hub and the other is wired through PCI-e via the thunderbolt interconnect. The physical connection is the same, so there would be no reason for Framework to sell a "thunderbolt-capable USB-C".

If you're going to argue about something you don't seem to have comprehension of, at least try to consume the provided answers before you stubbornly dig in.

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ShadowBanThis01 1064 days ago
I'm not missing the point, blowhard. I stated a verifiable fact: The description does not confirm that the Framework's USB-C modules support Thunderbolt. So you're bloviating on something that nobody brought up or is relevant.

Maybe you're replying to the wrong person. If you don't understand comment threading on Internet forums, you need some remedial instruction. I have no idea where you should turn for that. But step 1 is to stop lashing out against random people because you're frustrated.

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deaddodo 1062 days ago
And yet, you still don't understand a single thing, and just want to argue. Which seems to be common for you, based on your comment history.

So here, in elementary bulletpoint recaps of this conversation.

A) all USB-C ports are physically capable of handling Thunderbolt. There's no such thing as a Thunderbolt USB-C.

B) the most recent Framework laptop is Thunderbolt certified and tested, so your USB-C ports will support Thunderbolt.

If that simplification isn't enough for you, maybe avoid more technical communities. Just stick to TomsHardware.

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