[drbawb]

I doubt Apple will be our savior here. Apple is in a great position to implement this spec: their secure enclave and the systems they've developed around it are practically the state of the art. Also Apple is in bed w/ traditional media. (Apple News, Apple TV, iTunes, etc.) Microsoft has been doing the same[1] for years w/ Pluton on the Xbox to protect their IP. Google has been doing this on Android using, dm-verity, SafetyNet, et al. Nintendo employs similar protections on the Switch with moderate success. (After the bootrom of the initial HAC-001 was patched on the production floor the only real option to attack a modern Switch is physically glitching the console.)

I suppose Apple may object on the grounds of being a "privacy focused" company, but I'll believe that when I see it. I'm not gonna sit here holding my breath for these megacorps to do the right thing.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo

[skissane]

> I doubt Apple will be our savior here. Apple is in a great position to implement this spec: their secure enclave and the systems they've developed around it are practically the state of the art.

You are probably right, but there is one self-interested reason why Apple might resist implementing this - Apple doesn’t like the web competing with apps, and this is basically giving the web a capability that right now only apps (effectively) have.

[alwillis]

> Apple doesn’t like the web competing with apps

Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention but macOS Sonoma—currently in beta, shipping this fall—has the best web app support we’ve seen in a mainstream operating system.

You can put a web app on the Dock using the Finder’s “Save to Dock” command for virtually any website or web app.

Not only do you get service workers, push notification, web app manifest support, etc. web apps have first class support in the Finder, Spotlight, Spaces, Mission Control, etc. [1].

[1]: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10120/

[jkrubin]

Excellent point.

[aledalgrande]

> Also Apple is in bed w/ traditional media.

True. Try to screenshot anything from Apple TV+ content. You'll get a black image.

[serialbus]

Screenshotting Apple TV+ works fine for me on desktop Chrome, even with hardware acceleration enabled. I don't recall doing anything to circumvent normal behavior (not really in the habit of screenshotting things I'm watching).

[Mindwipe]

That's why desktop chrome is served lower resolution content than, say, Safari, where they can block it.

[h4x0rr]

Interesting because screenshoting Netflix does not work on chrome

[sneak]

It works fine in VLC with ATV content I have torrented.

If you subscribe to Apple TV, you are literally voting with your dollars for more of this crap. Stop giving them money!

[alwillis]

Apple is really the only party in a position to be a savior.

For example, they threaten to remove FaceTime and iMessage from UK iPhones if the government there changes the law on encryption [1].

[1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/20/apple-threatens-to-pull...

[h4x0rr]

Yet they removed apps from the taiwanese app store in Chinas interest

[cube00]

> I doubt Apple will be our savior here.

You only have to look at how they're (still) restricting PWAs to see they also have their own goals to preserve their walled garden and market share (as they should, it's a publicly listed company, but it's not the same as an open source alternative)