[pritambaral]

> agent forwarding is the laziest and fastest path to getting severely pwned

Only for people who don't know what they are doing. Usually, such people also make poor replacement decisions that are even less secure.

> the alternatives are actually fairly simple and fast, if someone is willing to take the time to adjust their process a little bit.

I often need to work on code in ephemeral containers. Is there an "actually fairly simple and fast" method I can use to be able git pull and push to and from these ephemeral containers that:

1. doesn't require too much adjustment (a little bit is okay); and

2. is not less secure than agent forwarding with confirmation?

[dumpsterdiver]

> Only for people who don't know what they are doing.

By that do you just mean that no services are openly exposed on the system? To my understanding, if any vulnerable service is remotely exposed then it's not at all safe to use agent forwarding with the affected version of openssh.

[pritambaral]

By that I mean to use the now-20-year-old 'ssh-add -c' flag. It'd seem practically no one is aware that an ssh agent does NOT have to silently and automatically sign just any and every auth request, given just how frequently I see people decrying "No! If you forward your agent that means a remote host has full access to everything in your agent! Never forward your agent ever! No buts!"

With the '-c' flag, if a remote host tries to use my agent, I get a graphical dialog on my local machine asking me if I want to let my agent do it. If I'm not expecting the dialog, I can just say no, and now I know the remote is compromised.

Actually, I go a step further. Because it is possible to accidentally accept a signing request by pressing the enter key that I meant to press for sth else, I make my agent require a passphrase on every use, not just a yes/no dialog.

In checking my machines for this CVE, I discovered my agent has yet another layer of security built-in. I use gpg-agent, relying on its famed security posture. Turns out, when forwarded, gpg-agent supports nothing except signing. It does not support adding keys from a remote, let alone fancy operations like loading a PKCS11 provider chosen by a remote.

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Securing a forwarded agent has nothing to do with whether there are openly exposed services on a remote system. The remote system could have malicious code that entered it not necessarily through an exposed service. A compromised npm package in the supply chain, for instance, is sufficient. It doesn't matter how it got there. What matters is: when it does, can it abuse a forwarded agent. Hence the '-c' flag to ssh-add.

[dumpsterdiver]

I was not aware of that functionality in ssh-add. Thank you!

Man page reference:

"-c Indicates that added identities should be subject to confirmation before being used for authentication. Confirmation is performed by ssh-askpass(1). Successful confirmation is signaled by a zero exit status from ssh-askpass(1), rather than text entered into the requester."

Edit: After thinking about it more, I think I may have misunderstood how the -c parameter would perform in regards to this CVE.

Would a confirmation prompt actually suffice to prevent this attack? Also, it begs the question, does this exploit rely upon someone already forwarding to a malicious server? I've only read the CVE, and skimmed the reporter's blog, so I don't know with certainty one way or the other.

If the exploit does require that the forwarding has already taken place, -c couldn't really help, right? The decision was made to allow it. I hope I'm not sounding contrarian, I'm genuinely curious about how this would play out.

[pritambaral]

The '-c' is not a mitigation to this CVE. It is a mitigation to a malicious remote silently opening further ssh connections to other servers you have access to.

My parent claimed that using agent forwarding is always insecure. Judging by their response to my comments elsewhere in this discussion, they seem to be under the impression that a forwarded agent will always silently and automatically sign auth requests. And yes, if you forward an agent with a key in it that's missing the '-c' flag, it will. Ignorance of the confirmation feature is classifiable under 'you don't know what you're doing'.

The same parent has also been beating their drum of 'create keypairs on remote servers' pretty heavily in many places in this discussion. That _is_ less secure than a forwarded agent that confirms each use.

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I do not claim anywhere that the '-c' flag prevents this CVE from being exploited. It's just that the agent I happened to be using — gpg-agent instead of ssh-agent — just happened to be immune to this CVE by doing what OpenSSH has decided to do in response to this CVE. I.e., I blindly relied on gpg-agent to be secure and it paid off here.

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> ... the forwarding has already taken place, -c couldn't really help, right? The decision was made to allow it.

It's not a confirmation of "Do you want to forward this agent?". It's a confirmation of "Do you want to sign a request using this key?". That happens in every auth request.

So if you ssh into foo, you'd get a dialog to confirm the use of your private key for this initial ssh. This is not added security, just an extra step in the initial ssh process.

But if you try to ssh into bar from foo, then you'd get another dialog on your local machine to confirm the use of your private key for the auth request by bar. _This_ is the added security vs. malicious code on foo ssh-ing into bar as you without your knowledge.