[mitt_romney_12]

> Most people respect and want cops

89% of Americans think that changes need to made to make policing better and 50% of Americans think that major changes need to be made [1].

> People whining about cops being mean to them, and their general dispositions, tends to think that their police interaction is a super special customer service experience and that the system is faulty when it falls short of their expectations.

If those expectations are the cops not shooting or assaulting innocent people I think those are pretty reasonable expectation and if the system is falling short of them it is absolutely faulty.

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/393119/americans-remain-steadfa...

[mywittyname]

Believable metric.

Many citizens in the abstract, "support" police. But police are pretty indiscriminate with their power tripping. So people with actual experience dealing with them tend to form negative opinions when they realize this might be a Leopard Ate Your Face moment.

I've heard an actual person say, "I though police were only like that to <...> people".

[Clubber]

An old saying I heard was, "Everyone is a liberal until they are mugged. Everyone is a conservative until they are harassed by the police."

>I've heard an actual person say, "I though police were only like that to <...> people".

I saw a video of a lady getting a ticket for something and kept saying, "But I'm a Republican!" As if that would make the officer change his mind.

[mrangle]

Garbage poll. It utilized questions that close to zero Americans would disagree with, in that the policies in question aren't controversial and are already enforced. Ignoring the intentionally murky language of the third question. And ignoring the fact that their methods can't be critiqued given America's current rock solid trust in polling.

See the first three:

Require officers to have good relations with the community

Change management practices, so officer abuses are punished

Change management practices, so officers with multiple incidents of abuse of power are not allowed to serve

[mitt_romney_12]

> in that the policies in question aren't controversial and are already enforced

These policies aren't enforced

> Change management practices, so officer abuses are punished

"Less than 10% of officers in most police forces get investigated for misconduct. Yet some officers are consistently under investigation. Nearly 2,500 have been investigated on 10 or more charges. Twenty faced 100 or more allegations yet kept their badge for years." [1]

> Change management practices, so officers with multiple incidents of abuse of power are not allowed to serve

"Officers like Wiley Willis, who was caught on video manhandling a handcuffed woman in an interview room until she lay injured in a pool of blood. He got his firing reversed because an expert didn’t record a polygraph ... Among the officers who benefited from it: a Shreveport officer accused of raping a woman at police headquarters; a Baton Rouge officer who shot at a fleeing motorist and was fired for dishonesty; a Eunice officer disciplined for choking and tackling a motorist; and a Hammond officer who took part in a beating that a policing expert hired by the city said was one of the “most abusive uses of force” he ever reviewed." [2] all of these cops got their jobs back

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/0... [2] https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/louisiana-shields-pol...

[mrangle]

Very, very few innocent people are being shot and assaulted by police. You're using hyperbole to throw the discussion off track. Read the post to which I was replying and stop ruining any chance of discourse with nonsense claims.

Your POV is equivalent to shouting in someone's face about surgical malpractice when the discussion is about the benefit of doctors in spite of the fact that some don't live up to expectations when providing GP service. Give us all a break for once, from your warped corner.

If you want statistically inevitable bad-cop events to stop happening, the only way to do that is to reduce the events that cause violent cop interactions. That is, crime has to reduced at the community level without law enforcement.

[s1artibartfast]

None of these thing are mutually exclusive with what the parent poster said.