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by blitz_skull 1069 days ago
Wrong. Society is just a social construct, but your right to independent thought and agency, which is powered by privacy, are fundamental to the human experience.
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No one is taking away anyone's right to independent thought, at least for now. Patent was talking about privacy though, I'm not sure our species has a fundamental right to it, how did you arrive at that conclusion?
It's a bit difficult to grasp the reasoning behind humans not having the fundamental right to privacy. It seems like the right to privacy/private communication with other sentient creatures is corollary to the right to independent thought, since humans are fundamentally social creatures with an inbuilt need to communicate.

I'm a bit curious how you arrived at the conclusion that you're "not sure our species has a fundamental right to [privacy]". That seems like the absurd claim requiring actual support here, seeing as how privacy is the norm, not the other way around.

> I'm a bit curious how you arrived at the conclusion that you're "not sure our species has a fundamental right to [privacy]". That seems like the absurd claim requiring actual support here, seeing as how privacy is the norm, not the other way around.

I didn't claim anything, I said I wasn't sure. Our species is much much older than the concept of privacy. Back when we were still sitting in trees there was no privacy. We decided that that was a thing quite a bit later. Now in the year 2023 I would say many of us see privacy as a fundamental human right though obviously and a privilege to defend.

Having rights is a social construct. Unless you believe in divine order of things. But I suspect there’s nothing in physical reality that requires any rights to be granted to anyone.
The religious far outnumber the not so I think your "unless" is really the norm. Talking only the various Jesus fanclubs you have a literal divine right to privacy in confession and it's sinful to reveal another's secrets. The Adam and Eve creation myth establishes privacy when God created clothes.

The very concept natural rights is basically divine rights but without explicitly mentioning a god.

It seems that more religious societies have much less privacy. Like, go back to Middle Ages. It would blow out minds how those people lived.
If having rights is a social construct as opposed to a universal truth, then you don't have any rights at all. You have temporary granted permissions, but not fundamental rights.

As such, it's much more likely that they are universally true rather than a result of human consensus.