[albrewer]

> They exist to supplement skill deficits in people

This take really does not take into account the huge value added of 1) not having to roll your own SPA code and 2) the availability of a large workforce that is all familiar with a common design paradigm.

[austin-cheney]

That is true, but it completely misses the point because rolling your own SPA is next to trivial. Things like state management, event delegation, and modularity are challenging without frameworks but only if you have never tried that without some large framework.

Every time I bring this up the common rebuttal is immediately quitting, something like: "I tried it once and it was tough, so therefore it can't be done". That just screams skills deficit.