[atchoo]

> Creatives don't naturally want to create bland and uninteresting work

Hmm. I've seen a few "passion projects" that reach new heights of uninterestingness. Detach the creative from needing to bring in an audience and we get projects that "explore the liminal space of boredom" and such. Once directors get the "make whatever you want" power it's not always a happy outcome. Same thing with authors - they get famous with a tightly edited 300 pages and use that to release a 1200 page barely edited brick.

Sometimes the balance of the two really works - the money man is the only representation of the audience and can cut out that nonsensical 45 minute dream sequence. I guess what I want is not a money man as such, just an editor with a bit of power as an objective source of improvement.

[slg]

There are of course good businessperson led movies and bad businessperson led movies. The same is true for creative led movies. Maybe the "explore the liminal space of boredom" movie is bad, but that description certainly sounds more interesting than a bad version of Transformers 7 or whatever.

Creative led projects are at least personal and that gives them a unique quality even if the project is an overall failure.

>I guess what I want is not a money man as such, just an editor with a bit of power as an objective source of improvement.

Editors would generally be considered creatives and not businesspeople. There is also no such thing as "an objective source of improvement" when it comes to art.

[mschuster91]

> Detach the creative from needing to bring in an audience and we get projects that "explore the liminal space of boredom" and such.

If there is a project that literally and perfectly matches your description, it is "Paint Drying", a 2016 protest film against censorship and classification mandates in the UK [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Drying

[ghaff]

I generally am not a big fan of the CGI-dominated action film catering to international audiences. But I'm mostly not a huge fan of art house fare either.

[pessimizer]

> Hmm. I've seen a few "passion projects" that reach new heights of uninterestingness.

This is what happens when the money men also think of themselves or their buddies as creatives. Extremely high production values on extremely stupid movies.

[lacrimacida]

It’s normal to have creative flops too, but generally the landscape looks much better and healthier than now. And some of those dreamscape flops are likely low to mid budget or self funded projects.