[dageshi]

What does your example have to do with this situation?

The people in the bread supply chain get paid, the author of content we're discussing will never get paid by anyone, will never even get a bit if personal satisfaction from their analytics knowing last month x thousand people read that page and it hopefully helped them.

It's completely zero reward, even worse it's completely zero feedback of any kind!

This really is the doom of the web as we know it because for the first time ever there will be an active disincentive to put knowledge on it. I think much information will retreat to places like Discord or locked down login only versions of sites like Stackoverflow.

[TeMPOraL]

> What does your example have to do with this situation?

It's addressing GP's complaint about me pointing out the indirect and transactional nature of the interaction between information producer and consumer.

> the author of content we're discussing will never get paid by anyone

That's... not my problem? Bear with me here.

> will never even get a bit if personal satisfaction from their analytics knowing last month x thousand people read that page and it hopefully helped them.

Aha!

So we're talking specifically about content creators that publish for free in hopes of maximizing a number on their analytics? That's healthy neither for them nor the society at large. Or you mean people publishing content for free to make money off ads? Yeah, I don't mind that content to disappear entirely.

Note that outside of web publishing, it was never the expectation of an author to have any idea how many people read their work, much less get paid for every single "read event". They only got a lump sum or a fraction of first sale of a printed work - but had no insight or control over further circulation of parts of entirety of their works. Being able to resell your books or magazines, or give or lend it to friends, or borrow some from a library, are all good things.

All that was true before AI, and people found reasons to write new books, or to publish quality content on-line, for free and without advertising or telemetry. LLMs don't change that. If anything, they may reduce readership, not publication.

> I think much information will retreat to places like Discord or locked down login only versions of sites like Stackoverflow.

This has already been happening for the past couple years; LLMs, again, don't change anything here.

[detourdog]

The analytics is similar to happy customers if you separate the customers from the bots.

[detourdog]

I'm really struck how this is the first time I have seen a disincentive to freely share information on the internet.

I can't tell if I have aged out of some ideal or is it that the individual creative efforts are being homogenized into pseudo answers for someone to sell.