[blodkorv]

In my view Windows has always been a great development system. Been doing both php and c# development on windows for years and it always been "start computer, install wamp/editor or visual studio" then you are set and can develop great software.

[midasz]

As a Java dev it's kinda fun to compare the experience.

## Installing a JDK on windows

-Search google/whatever

-Click on first link

-Find .exe

-Agree to terms and conditions

-Click download

-Have to login with oracle account

-(I stopped here)

## Installing JDK on ubuntu

-Open terminal

-sudo apt install openjdk-8-jdk

- y, enter

-done

[charcircuit]

If you want to install the oracle jdk on Linux you have to download it from oracle's website too.

Downloading openjdk on windows doesn't require an oracle account.

https://jdk.java.net/20/

[dist-epoch]

Here you go, works on default Windows 10/11 install:

- open terminal

- winget install -e --id ojdkbuild.openjdk.11.jdk

> The winget command line tool enables users to discover, install, upgrade, remove and configure applications on Windows 10 and Windows 11 computers. This tool is the client interface to the Windows Package Manager service.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/package-manager/wi...

[josefx]

Ah, winget. Another proof that Microsoft never stopped being abusive as fuck.

Inviting over open source developers under false pretenses, milking them for all the knowledge of their projects and then proceeding to ghost them for months before releasing a complete ripoff of the original open source project.

At least they wont suffer a culture clash from the Activision acquisition.

[ayewo]

For anyone wondering about which OSS project Microsoft mistreated, the commenter is referring to AppGet.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287

[Shaanie]

Alternatively, download intellij and it'll install whichever JDK you want for you.

[capableweb]

> it always been "start computer, install wamp/editor or visual studio"

How is it any different on any other mainstream/moderately popular OS? macOS, Ubuntu and a couple of others basically have the same experience.

[blodkorv]

With php its very little difference except that you run Windows and get all the benefints from that regarding drivers and software support, i have yet found an equaly good database manager on linux as heidiSQL(it is unstable in wine) for ex. Also it "feels" easier to click on the wamp installer and just run it from there compared to sudo apt install xyz.

With C# the difference is huge since you just need to install visual studio and you have everything you will need, with the best tooling there is.

[modo_mario]

>i have yet found an equaly good database manager on linux as heidiSQL(it is unstable in wine) for ex.

How does it compare to the mysql one or MS sql server management studio for that matter?

> Also it "feels" easier to click on the wamp installer and just run it from there compared to sudo apt install xyz.

Wamp installer is windows specific but i'd assume you browse to find the download for it, etc or use winget or chocolately instead of sudo install xyz, etc so i fail to see the advantage there?

Similarly I'd just open pacmac and click to install xampp or so no? Maybe an equivalent experience can be had using the windows store if WAMP is found on there but i think the windows store is a bit of a disaster still. (It can't seem to grasp that I do not speak French all that well for example)

>With C# the difference is huge since you just need to install visual studio and you have everything you will need, with the best tooling there is.

There's a reason people jokingly call it microsoft java. The second half might be mischaracterizing it on many fronts but the first half is true to form. I'd argue it as an argument in this matter is similar to bringing up the best platform for developing with Swift.

[blodkorv]

>How does it compare to the mysql one or MS sql server management studio for that matter?

It dosent compare, but then when working with php and mariadb you dont often use the advanced/esoteric features you have in SQLserver

>Wamp installer is windows specific but i'd assume you browse to find the download for it, etc or use winget or chocolately instead of sudo install xyz, etc so i fail to see the advantage there?

Well there is less configuring with wamp and there are gui tools to manage things, installing the services in linux and setting them up is always a bit more work. I have never tried xampp in linux so it might be equal there.

>There's a reason people jokingly call it microsoft java. The second half might be mischaracterizing it on many fronts but the first half is true to form. I'd argue it as an argument in this matter is similar to bringing up the best platform for developing with Swift.

It being an complete integrated package from the OS to the IDE is the best feature about dotNet. You can look at it the same way as "the lisp machine" but with better third party software support. I guess swift has the same benefits, altho when i tried it the tools where not really up to the same standards as visual studio.

I have yet came across a language platform i cant develop with ease on windows. Also these days with tech such as docker etc there really are no boundaries.

[modo_mario]

>It being an complete integrated package from the OS to the IDE is the best feature about dotNet.

In a general purpose development context I consider it a downside. In the same way that I don't consider it a boon for XCode & the like that I can't run it on my machine and will need to go buy a mac.

When it comes to a more general purpose development context I find that a lot of things have this "if you are on windows" asterisk. From recent memory it can go from the rustup installation page just referring to a completely different page or rediscovering that text files having diverging line endings there or needing to do some workarounds when making commandline tools in such low level languages so that they'll also work on windows, needing to bundle some redistributable dll in your installer to make things work on windows even if you used visual studio on windows to make your binary. They'd work everywhere except windows because vcruntime isn't statically linked by default or something. Given PHP being mentioned think this was also the reason it took so long for various PHP functions to become available on windows in the past (Not sure if they're all available now. I haven't kept up). I remember discussions from back then with complaints about Windows being a second class citizen for php when that wasn't really the case rather it was just more often the odd one out.