[jmrm]

People who don't want to mess around with low level configuration. For me, using an Arduino is the equivalent of prototyping a software in Python instead of doing it in C.

I haven't used any Expressif product, but is easy to find a problem or a bug while programming a MCU if you're new with it, and you don't know exactly what registers you need to edit to configure to set up the hardware correctly, or if there are hardware details, like the use of multiplexing in pins, to deal with.

With Arduino you can forget a lot of the smaller details, and you only have to know what pins to use, how you want to use them, what devices use, and the simple functions Arduino gives to you to use them (which are commom across most of boards).

[hyperbovine]

This has not been my experience at all. Random cheapie ESP32 board bought off Alibaba performs/is exactly the same as expensive one with better marketing bought off Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc.

[tomn]

Yes, but "does it work" is a low standard.

- You don't get any documentation, whereas with something more official you will have a complete schematic (so you know which support components will be used), pinout, information about power supplies etc.

- You can't rely on being able to buy the same thing again. Even if you find something with the same pinout, small changes to the power supply or usb-serial converter can ruin your day.

- Shipping will probably take a while (or you're buying from a local re-seller, increasing the cost). Your company probably doesn't have a process for buying from aliexpress, but orders from digikey all the time.

- I've not had a problem with development boards, but plenty of cheap electronics in the same category are really badly designed; a random memorable example: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001621800502.html . They have had their issues, but arduino stuff does tend to be well designed, and vendor development boards are usually reliable too.

- Stuff like the feather ecosystem can be genuinely helpful when prototyping if the cost isn't an issue.

I chance the cheap stuff for personal projects, but if work is paying I'd go for something more expensive every time (and probably wouldn't have a choice).

[ireflect]

Totally agree in general, but in the specific case of ESP32s my experience is very different.

The first-party ESP32 documentation from Espressif is excellent. The ESP-IDF has comprehensive documentation, examples, and an active engineering team on the public github bugtracker.

The modules (e.g. ESP-S3-WROOM-1) purchased directly from Espressif (or via Aliexpress or Digikey) are all the same.

Sure, there are tons of "devboards" that slap on a voltage regulator and uart chip (and not much else), both from random aliexpress sellers, to Adafruit, Olimex, and now Adruino. These are all such a thin wrapper around the ESP32 that even the janky ones are equivalent to the ESP32-S3-DevKitC from Espressif.

This devboard in particular is a devboard by Arduino (!), containing a module by u-blox (!), containing a chip from Espressif. That seems like a lot of unnecessary vendor layers to me!

[tomn]

Yeah, i agree that the ESP32 docs are good, and what you're going to be using most of the time while using these things.

That wasn't what i was talking about though -- if you have a look at the datasheet for this board ( https://docs.arduino.cc/static/4260b2f8de0b7abc50d3773839dee... ), there's plenty of board-specific info in there that's useful, and also plenty of stuff that's technically duplicated from the ESP32 documentation, but harder to find if you're a noob.

I can't get mad about the unnecessary layers, sorry. Using the ublox module is quite reasonable: it's smaller than any of the available modules from espressif (necessary for this form-factor), probably because they have licensed a fancy antenna design (the same one that rpi uses, i think). Using a module in general is a good idea, as it means you don't have to take on the cost and risk of doing the RF design yourself. If you buy a board using a 3rd-party module, there are probably going to be three vendors involved.

Another thing i didn't mention -- as far as i know this is the first ESP32 board you can actually buy in the same form factor as the arduino nano, which is handy if you want to switch an existing project over to ESP32.

In general I fail to understand why people are so salty about this. I see engineers using this kind of thing all the time, and they aren't stupid. It's perfectly fine to spend a bit more money to get something even marginally better.

Yes, the relative price difference is huge, but $20 makes no difference in a lot of situations.

[Ballas]

You can use arduino with any of the cheap ESP32 boards as well. That does not distinguish this particular board, with it's 3x price tag from others.