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by _kbh_ 1063 days ago
> USSR demonstrated good faith when it greenlighted reunification of Germany and got assurances that NATO won't expand to the east. Look how that worked out.

Of all the Russian propaganda you pick the one piece that was super easy to debunk, Gorbachev himself said this never happened.

The negotiations were always about NATO expanding into east Germany and not east in general.

NATO still isn’t in the former east Germany anyway.

I’m pretty sure I or others have told you this many times before though so I have to start questioning is you are posting in good faith or if your posting to push an agenda?.

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"Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner" [0]

[0] https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017...

That isn't a counter to a primary source that says he never discussed it.

Although I do know that NATO Expansion is another historical grievance Russia has (getting lots of these aren't they) because Russia is very much pro being able to invade states, and NATO stops that.

These documents are primary sources. Gorbachev says contradictory things.

"Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who participated in the 1990 negotiations, subsequently spoke out about the existence of a "guarantee of non-expansion of NATO to the east" inconsistently, confirming its existence in some interviews and refuting in others." [0]

Here is what Gorbachev was saying in 2008.

"Relations have further deteriorated after Nato promised eventual membership to Georgia and Ukraine, a move interpreted by Mr Gorbachev as an attempt to extend America's sphere of influence into Russia's backyard.

"The Americans promised that Nato wouldn't move beyond the boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be trusted."" [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_in_Russia_regardin...

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/193...