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by Kon5ole 1063 days ago
>They have been profitable for decades.

How can you know if they were profitable or not before you know the final costs?

>> Why doesn't that count as being part of the decommissioning costs? >Decomissioning a plant has two parts: dismantling, which is a one-time cost, and long-term storage,

Certainly, but the yankee plant is currently housing the fuel in a short-term storage container on-site. So the dismantling part is not completed yet, and the costs are ongoing. It's not yet in the "long-term-storage" phase of operations, which btw also cost money.

>Maybe future politicians will force people to recycle their solar panels at outrageous cost?

The difference with nuclear compared to other sources is that the costs of nuclear __have__ to be handled. If an operator of a solar panel plant goes bankrupt, the state doesn't have to pay a cent since the plant simply stops costing money when it is shut down. That makes it much easier to estimate the costs.

If an operator of a nuclear plant goes bankrupt however, the state simply has to cover all the costs to ensure proper handling of the fuel and waste.

We have to date not managed to do so reliably anywhere in the world, so how can we claim to know the costs?

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> but the yankee plant is currently housing the fuel in a short-term storage container on-site.

It's hardly short term if it's been there for 26 years.

> It's not yet in the "long-term-storage" phase of operations

And, judging by the ongoing process, it's not close to be. For no technical reason, it's just politicians doing politician things.

So, the logical conclusion is that no one can predict what politicians could do. If they do this, what makes you think that they wouldn't pass a law forcing people to recycle current solar panels at an outrageous cost? You've been claiming that it's impossible to know anything about anything related to nuclear, but the same claims also hold for any other production source, since this kind of political decision is, essentially, arbitrary.

Welcome to the FUD, if you can do it, others can do it too.

>It's hardly short term if it's been there for 26 years.

It certainly is short-term storage. Short-term simply means that it is not intended for permanent final storage. All nuclear waste in the world is currently in short-term storage.

The costs of nuclear are not invented by politicians, as I have shown they are instead largely hidden by politicians.

So far you have compared nuclear waste to recycling solar panels, you have insinuated that having to manage it carefully is just a political decision, and now you think 26 years is "long term storage". I can just assure you that all of these things are completely wrong and encourage you to investigate it further on your own.

> you think 26 years is "long term storage".

It's not about it being 26 years, it's about it being longer than the time needed to actually build the long-term solution, and no solution being planned because of political games.

Dry cask storage is the long-term prospect of US waste, but it's unrelated to producing electricity or the actual cost of anything. It's a political decision and paid for by government money, as it should be. Once politicians tire of wasting money, they can build the actual thing.

And if you believe this kind of stuff couldn't happen to your favorite technology, you're delusional.