[mmarq]

I helped two friends in their negotiations, so I know exactly how much they make (between 140 and 160K total compensation). They were hired early this year. I also interviewed for similar companies in Berlin and Munich (I refused two offers and I was discarded by one company).

On levels.fyi, salaries seem to be slightly lower, but still in 6 figure territory: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/delivery-hero/salaries/soft...

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/hellofresh/salaries/softwar...

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/zalando/salaries/software-e...

According to their websites, Delivery Hero and HelloFresh are still hiring senior, staff, principal and senior principal engineers.

Anyway, I know many “average” engineers making 80-100K as seniors in Germany (I mean people that don’t do leet code, that don’t negotiate much, that don’t care too much about their career), in hyper unionised companies with massive benefits and ironclad job security.

[FirmwareBurner]

>I know many “average” engineers making 80-100K as seniors in Germany[...]in hyper unionised companies with massive benefits and ironclad job security

Do you have any examples or info on which are such companies please. AS an average engineer looking for senior pay, you got my interest.

[mmarq]

Mind, I’m not using the word “average” derogatorily, I’m referring to good senior developers that simply don’t follow trends, don’t do leetcode and don’t spent too much time chasing pay rises (I unfortunately had to, because of my family’s economic issues and because I live in the UK, where you either own property or you can’t live like a civilized man).

I know people working for BMW, VW, Bosch, NXP, Infineon (some in Germany and some in Austria) earning that much. Some do security, others embedded, others CRUD stuff in Go or C#.

I don’t know if these jobs require Germans to follow the German corsus honorum (Gymnasium, BSc, MSc) and so are not accessible to those that attended a Realschule (foreigners seem to be exempted).