[jamil7]

I speak German, but only after being here 7 years. Are you seriously taking the side that a new immigrant in the country should be able to navigate a complicated immigration and registration process, documents and interviews in German? It’s not an easy language to learn and the expectation should not be that you’ve somehow mastered it before moving to the country. Your second point is also irrelevant since officials in most government offices are not technically allowed to offer services in English.

If you want people to learn then offer a migration path in English and offer a state funded language course similar to Sweden’s SFI. Some Germans still really delude themselves into thinking they’re language is relevant outside of German speaking countries.

[radiator]

7 years is too long in my opinion, but better late that never I guess. I don't know whether Germans delude themselves about the relevance of German abroad, but I understand that some people delude themselves about the relevance of other languages (English) inside Germany.

What I say is valid for all countries, i.e. if you move to France/Italy/Netherlands/Denmark you should learn French/Italian/Dutch/Danish.

[FirmwareBurner]

>7 years is too long in my opinion

Then you haven't met most expats in Germany, who, especially in the tech sectors in the big cities, can only manage to order a beer in German after 7 years. Which is understandable, even if you take courses, when your expat friend group is all in English and your workplaces is also all in English, there's not many opportunities for you to perfect.

Also, the necessity of learning a new foreign language and navigate a completely different bureaucratic labyrinth every time you move for work to a different EU country is what's holding the EU development back versus the US.

Imagine if someone from Ohio had to learn a new language when moving to California for a a job. As an European, I think EU countries should give up some slack on the national pride, and be more open to standardizing bureaucracy in English to gain a competitive edge on labor and capital mobility against the US, even though I know nationalistic countries like France and Austria would rather die on that hill than adopt a foreign language as an alternative to their own.

[jamil7]

> 7 years is too long in my opinion, but better late that never I guess.

I said I speak German, not I started learning German. I don’t think C1 after 7 years while also working a full-time job and eventually starting a business is all that bad. This is the expected path for a skilled migrant to keep their visa status, there isn’t exactly the opportunity to do an immersion course. How many languages do you speak?

I didn’t anywhere allude to the importance of English in Germany outside of offering a path for immigrants since it’s somewhat of a modern lingua franca.

> What I say is valid for all countries, i.e. if you move to France/Italy/Netherlands/Denmark you should learn French/Italian/Dutch/Danish.

At least two of the countries you list offer immigration services in English. Again, no one is saying you shouldn’t learn the language.